Talk:List of compositions by Frédéric Chopin

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Contents 1 List format 2 missing waltz? 3 op 10-3 4 Format 5 Details of Compositions by Genre 6 Information from Frédéric Chopin#Works

[edit] List format

See this discussion of list formats for discussion of composition lists in general; this list is the one which sparked the debate. It wasn't really in my to do list, but I have access to vi, awk & sed. I removed the date of composition where it is the same as the date of the containing opus, but left them in where each piece's composition date was different (for example, Op. 10). I've removed all the red links on the grounds that links like Mazurka in C are no use. While links like No. 5 in C might be of use in the future I feel life's too short :-). Thanks, Mallocks, for doing the initial detabulation. --RobertG | (talk) 10:58, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] missing waltz?

There seems to be no mention of the waltz in f-sharp minor, also known as the Valse melancolique (KK Anh. Ib/7). Is there some doubt surrounding this work? I know it is peculiar in the baseline given by the left hand which is unusual for a Chopin waltz, but I have not heard much talk about it. Thanks. 70.240.178.41 03:09, 15 March 2006 (UTC)Mysticfeline

Was in a part of the site that I hadn't looked at, specifically the supplement. Those published works in there have now been added. Mallocks 17:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] op 10-3

I don't know if it's common for the same piece of music to have more than one title, I'm not exactly an expert at all, but op 10-3's title in some places (but not on Wikipedia) is Chanson de L'Adieu, while on here, and some other places, it is titled Tristesse. I knew it as Chanson de L'Adieu my whole life until trying to find it on here. Hmm.EgyptianSushi 02:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

None of those 'names' are titles, incidentally. Tristesse is a name given to that particular étude by the original French publisher. They are usually used to identify the piece to laymen. ALTON .ıl 22:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Format

Why do some links lead to the general music form ("écossaises") and others to Chopin's specific compositions (Études)? Should the former be removed until all lead to pages of Chopin's own works?     ✗  Zen. ^➚ 05:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, no. The links to form are under the heading of By musical form, and can be seen to be thus introducing each form for those unfamiliar. If individual pieces were being linked to these forms then that would be wrong, as it stands I think it's right. Mallocks 22:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

That's what I mean: all link to the general musical form except études. That particular link in this article is wrong, according to you, because it leads to the composer-specific page (Etudes (Chopin)). It should appear as the extant Waltz section, correct? z ε n  08:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, didn't notice that, my bad, and yes I agree, formatting as the Waltz section is a good solution. Well noticed :) Mallocks 21:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I've made the suggested changes, feel free to tweak it if you don't think it's neat enough. Mallocks 21:10, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

That's wonderful, thanks. z ε n  04:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Details of Compositions by Genre

Hey all, I'm planning on creating a page for each major genre Chopin wrote (Mazurkas, Waltzes, Nocturnes, Etudes). On each page, there will be a list of songs in chart form, with specific details about them.

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Exg:

Title	Nocturne in G minor
Tempo	lento
Performers	Arthur Rubinstein
Difficulty	moderate
Miscellaneous	A favourite among students

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If you think this is a good idea, or think the pages would be a waste, I would love to hear criticism/support. I'll also need some help with creating them if we decide to go through with it. Thanks --Chopin-Ate-Liszt! 01:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Have a look at Études (Chopin) to see an extant page on what you are talking about. I have to question the importance of these pages, because they seem simply like a stylized version of the categories that already exist. More importantly, as epic a work as Beethoven's sonatas are, they have no central page; rather, they have only a category. However, I would implore you to get going on making pages for each of his works. Maybe not each prelude, but some major works need pages: Ballade No. 4 in F minor, all of his impromptus, and possibly some of the polonaises. ALTON .ıl 21:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, that table might be very useful placed at the top of the category pages. I am sure it would be very appropriate there. ALTON .ıl 21:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Information from Frédéric Chopin#Works

I just added the information that is listed at Frédéric Chopin#Works to the top of this page. I don't know if this will flow well with everyone, but if it does I have two questions.

1. Is there a way to just reprint the text from Frédéric Chopin#Works to the top of the page rather than a direct copy and paste as templates are done, and if so, should it be done?
2. Should the various links in the title such as ballads link to ballads or List_of_compositions_by_Frédéric_Chopin#Solo_piano where the ballads on the page are?

I don't know if this will be like much. Pages like List of compositions by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart have a blurb like this, but most others that I have seen do not. Asmeurer (talk ♬ contribs) 02:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Just go through with what you originally intended. The Chopin page has enough information about his style and whatever, and this page should have only a cursory description of the list. As for the second question, I say remove "the" and link to the general form. ALTON .ıl 02:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)