Talk:List of marjas

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Should we put dates/years? Dates of birth and death for the Deceased ones? Or Dates from which they have been considered Marjas for all? I don't know enough about this topic to be able to decide.—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 02:31, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

First things first: we need to alphabetize the living ones by the Roman transliterations of their names (ignoring "al"). Then we need to make sure we have articles for all of them (A lot of them do, and I've created some links, but I really should be studying right now). The article should have at a minimum, birth and death dates, followed by date when they began to be considered ayatollah and marja.

Here's a hypothetical article introduction example (this is not a parody; I mean no disrespect to any of the living or departed marjas, I'm just trying to show what I think a standard article intro should contain, so I'm making up a "John Smith" type-example):

Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Husayn Irani (1845/1261 AH-1943/1362 AH), Ayatollah from 1903, Marja (Grand Ayatollah) after 1921, was an Iranian cleric, Islamic jurist and spiritual leader for Shiite Muslims.

See how that sums it all up nicely? You would of course have all the CE dates linked so that they would show up on Selected Anniversaries, and you would link to the terms "ayatollah" and "marja" (I didn't do that here, because I don't want my example linking to genuine articles). That would be a good standard intro format, and you could have all the detailed information below it. If you didn't have time to start a detaield article, that could at least be a good placeholder stub for someone to work on. We could even start a Wikiproject for Ayatollahs or Shiite clerics or, more generally, Muslim clerics, to divide up the work and set up acheivable mini-tasks so that one overworked person doesn't havet to do it all.

If we're going to add dates to this list, I would just add the birth and death dates, and leave the other dates for the article itself. Otherwise, the list will look too cluttered. One alternative would be to have a table with the headings "Name", "Birth", "Death", "Considered Ayatollah", "Considered Marja", but I think that would just make the whole thing too complex.

--Jpbrenna 03:25, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Things needed to be done:

1. Alphabetize by last name
2. Almost 85% of these guys are all Grand Ayatollahs. We should correct the lists to reflect that.
3. cross-check and add deficiencies (if needed) from the 3 following equivalent lists:

• List of Marjas
• List of Ayatollahs
• Qom

--Zereshk 16:53, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

I know we use "Grand Ayatollah" in English, but what is the "real" (Arabic/Farsi/etc.) term? Ayatullah Al-Uzma?—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 19:07, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

Correct.--Zereshk 19:49, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

to have the 2 lists united in one list called Shi'a scholars better i think .. please link to our list in the arabic wikipedia [رجال_دين_شيعة] --Hani el ba7rani 16:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Nasr is a Shia scholar. But he's not a Marja. See the difference? That's why the lists are separated.--Zereshk 06:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] classification according to school

Please classify each person as to his associated school. Also specify the website or source for your information. Gerash77 11:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)