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Dear Editor, About Amrithanandamayi, I understand that you have reasons not to add a word "controversial". I wonder what will be wikipedia.org's perception about the concept "controversy".
I hope wikipedia.org may agree that in the light of modern scientific knowledge, any human being who claims that he/she has supernatural powers should be called as controversial person. It is not a disrespect to any individual. For your information, my own brother, brother-in-law, and uncle are followers of Amrithanandamayi, though I am not. My wife is a follower of another God-man Sai Baba. But I am not. And that did not prevent me from visiting the ashram of Sai Baba several times and following their rituals and practices. This is because, I respect others' belief.
But I thought a "controversy" is a controversy. At least will you be kind enough to keep this mail of mine to be read by others and have an independent assessment about wikipedia.org especially by future generations? I have only tried to add the value to Wikipedia and I have contributed other notes like that of Krishna Iyer, Cp Achuthan, Gundert, Kesari BalaKrishna Pillai, Pottekkad, Devan Nair, Anil Kumble, Kinhanna Rai, KPS Menon, TC Yohannan, Thakazhi, MN Vijayan and many others. I have also persuaded my colleagues to contribute and they have written lengthy ariticles. In my case lack of time prevents me to contribute more. However it is funny to know that a human being who claims having supernatural power is not viewed as "controversial" in the 21st Century.
- My take on this is that this page should only mention what the person is primarily famous as/for. That way Amritanandamayi and Saibaba would qualify simply as spiritual leaders. On the other hand, some like Chandraswami or maybe Rajneesh would deserve the prefix controversial, because it the controversy surrounding their work that has made them famous.
- The alternate views and lesser known aspects of their work can be left to the main articles. Tintin 07:27, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Mr. Anonymous, In the first place Mata Amritanandamayi’s fame is not about her supernatural powers; her fame today is for her overall positive contributions to contemporary society. However, if supernatural powers are attributed to her, by her followers and people who have experienced her closeness, that is matter of personal opinion or point of view, which after all is not being imposed upon any third parties/public to accept, accredit or endorse. As she is not involved in any contentious act harmful to the public at large and there exists no open dispute whatsoever in the public domain, other than that of the spiritual nature of beliefs (the same as the case may be with any religious or spiritual leader), I see no need to pre-fix her name and qualify it as “controversial”. Would you, Mr. Anonymous, dare challenge the supernatural powers attributed to Jesus Christ or Muhammed and pre-fix those name references in Wikipedia with the word “controversial”? “In this 21st century” (taking your words), may I ask you why should we not have the freedom to believe in the supernatural, if we had Albert Einstein in the recent 20th century who himself had positive views on religion and beliefs, yet put forth the most scientific and rational theories of the Universe? Also if such demeaning pre-fixes should be added to names, many of the leaders and public figures in this List of famous Keralites might qualify to be “contentious” in respect of their clean images – for e.g. the list of politicians of Kerala, many of who are alleged to be corrupt, but publicly claim they are clean and yet have large followers; the list would be endless to pre-fix names with “controversial”.
Aaroamal, 3 September 2005
The difference between Prophet Mohammed, Jesus Christ, Vivekananda, Mahatma and other spiritual leaders and the present day God-men/Women is that spiritual great leaders have lived for certain principles and they are known for their contribution for the humanities. I respect anybody's right to call these great people "controversial". And these people were infact controversial in their own way in their own times. But after their times they are remembered not because of their controversial acts. These controversial acts of their life was helpful to millions of human beings and disturbed a few other sections. And we all love and respect these leaders for their contribution to this world. Though all these spiritual leaders worked in the material world to bring in changes, their work in material world was not limited to make money and distribute a small portion of what they made to a small minority. These spiritual leaders radically changed the way the future generation think and live. So though I have the right and everyone has the right to call these spiritual leaders "controversial", I think the world will only laugh at that. Who will care if I call prophet Mohammed "controversial"? Who will care if I call Jesus Christ "controversial"? Who will care if I call Swamy Vivekananda "controversial"? Who will care if I call Mahathma "Controversial"? I am sure any thinking person will just smile at me or laugh at me and walk away. But when these so called Godmen and women are refered "controversial", it attract strong reactions. Why? The truth hurts.
And with due respect may I ask, who are these self claimed God men and Women to be compared with Prophet and Christ? The controversy surrounding the life of some of these individuals are not hidden. Just look at the pages of www.wikipedia.org itself. It is funny that the editors of this portal believes that what the one page of this portal reveals will not be known to the other pages. That is why I say, let the future generation decide. Please keep these pages unchanged.
Anyone who can think can kindly think of this: The Government run intelligene agency had warned Mata Amrithananda Organization of a threat. Please see | This is one of many such pages which reports this news. And why there is a threat? Why there is an intelligence agency warning? And why it happened exactly according to the warning? Why the person who is attacked is kept inside the ashram before handing over to the police? Why the organization is eager to explain that the convict is mentally ill? When explaining about the attack on her, why Amrithanandamayi is talking about her successer? What is the controversy? Who is behind the attack? The general public of this world is interested to know answers. If Matha is great it is more important that these questions are answered. If there was a secutity agency warning about a possible attack IT IS DEFINITELY NOT FROM AN UNKNOWN INSANE PERSON. Let us not talk jokes. If Amrithanandamayi is great, then why the organization ignored the police warning? And what action the organization taken against the office bearers of this organization for deliberately ignoring this warning? Why the culprit was allowed to come so close? My dear readers, I have never said anything against Matha Amrithanandamayi anywehre. I simply said that there is a controversy. If I close my eyes, the darkness is only for me and not in my surrounding. The respected editor of this portal wants to close his/her eyes. And the darkness is only for him/her. The refusal of including a word "controversy" itself indicates how powerful Amrithanandamayi's organisation is. Running several portal in different names with money power and organizing charitable works will not make a controversial person non-controversial. I have nothing against Amma. I am living in this India. I respect others' belief. But a controversy is a controversy. Wikipedia talks about charity done by that organization. How? From where did the money come? One respected reader says: "....her fame today is for her overall...." Dear readers, will you ever use a word "Lata Mangeshkar's fame today is..." If anyone uses that word, then it is clear that "before she becoming what she is 'today'... there was yesterday". Dear admirer of Amrithanandamayi, even when you argue so powerfully, in your heart of heart you know that yesterday the story was different. And that yesterday helped her to do the charity today and it helped to cultivate the 'today's' image.
I do not say it is a hated organization or something like that. But we all have the responsibility to this humanity to talk truth. A human being is a human being. The moment a human being claims he/she has supernatural powers, then it is a controversial subject. I am sure, wikipedia will remain for centuries to come. Let the future generation decide to laugh or read this seriously later.
- Oooh...what a spirited response! Sorry, I don't have the time to read it all!!
[edit] Controversy about Amritanandamayi
- What was all that ? We are *not* arguing that there are no controversies about Amritanandamayi, only that they are not significant enough to put in this particular page. List of famous Keralites is intended for a brief line or two about the person, which will include what is most relevant and famous about him/her. Amritandamayi's fame is *predominantly* for being a spiritual leader, and less for a controversial one.
- Feel free to add alternate views in the Mata Amritanandamayi page (with references to back them up). Nobody is stopping you from it. Tintin 18:10, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Dear Editor, the fame of Matha Amrithanandamayi is first and predominantly controversial.We all respect her secondary activities, charity and spirituality. But those are not the things which gave her (initial) fame. Kindly keep your views. Let the people judge.
- Let us not waste time Tintin responding to the above comarade, who has clearly disclosed his identity from the blabber to his credit. As you suggested, let him cry at the relevant article elsewhere. Ignore and go on with your good work. Cheers.Aaroamal, 6 September 2005.
[edit] To 59.92.129.211
We appreciate the work that you but can you please keep the descriptions a little short.
Thanks, Tintin 12:15, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
I plan to create main page for the new notes I add. Later when the main page is created, I guess, these short notes can be moved there. But luckily, when I create a note, some other good thinking people are spending time to create the main page. I am happy about that.
[edit] Please add Manoj Nite Shyamalan also A.R.Rahman
It is great dissapoint to note that these both are not included in the list of famous keralities!
I am removing the entry on Anil John as it seems irrelevant by the importance of the subject when compared to the other entries of the list. Instead i am adding an entry on Dr. John Mathai. Thank You. I hope i am not wrong in removing the above-mentioned entry. __ User:Sagaram 31st January, 2006.
I have deleted T.C. Yohannan and added the contents of of the title to the newly added title Tinu Yohannan. __ User:Sagaram 9th February, 2006.
i believe we should include the name of k.karunakaran, the famous ,former chief minister of kerala, to the list of famous people of kerala.the list has quite a lot of peoples name in it , still its missing a lot. the reason may be not much people are aware of the wikipedia encyclopedia.any way hope people with knowledge wiil contrubute to the section. samkoshy@sbcglobal.net
[edit] O. N. V. Kurup, K. P. S. Menon, Thakazhi N. Shiva Sankara Pillai
Can somebody add information about the above gentlemen if they worth noting on this page?
Shijaz 19:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] AfD discussion
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people from Kerala (aeropagitica) (talk) 22:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dr. John T. Mathew
Dr. John T Mathew - (Sunny Ezhumattoor) Well-known sociologist and economist; First Malayalee to publish a book on capitalism in 1994
This entry seems to be self-made. (See WP:AUTO). Is it really notable??
Shijaz 17:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] cartoonists
should include the names of noted cartoonists and painters.someone are trying to delete the names of catroonists from this page without any knowledge about the history of cartooning. please include names of cartoonists . Nooranadu mohan,unma monthly
I am the person you are talking about. Can you please argue the case for your notability at Wikipedia_talk:Notice_board_for_India-related_topics/Kerala#S.Jithesh. As far as I can find, Jithesh is a very minor cartoonist. Unless something turns out proving it otherwise, I am planning to nominate [[S. Jithesh] and Chiricheppu for deletion in a few days. Tintin (talk) 23:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] category based editing is needed
It is better to edit this page on category based .for eg. list of politicians,list of film stars, list of artists,list of educationalists etc
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It is improper to delete several names which are included to this page without due reason. As for the deletion of the Lists it is better that we add those "Lists" in the "Topics Related To Kerala" in the main page of KERALA. User: Maabahuka _______________________________________________________
Is it not proper to provide a citation or some explanation when an entry is added here ? The burden of proving the notability is on the person adding the entry, not on the one removing it. Tintin (talk) 05:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oops ! Sorry. I thought you were responding to my comments above.
[edit] Requested move
From List of famous Keralites to List of people from Kerala
- Move It's the standard style of naming, both for Category:Lists of Indians by state and across other countries too. Saying "famous" is unnecessary because of notability. --Mereda 12:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Page moved.Flowerparty☀ 02:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Classified
I have classified the page. I think it is apt and better to search an information.Nileena joseph 15:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Added to Performing Artists
Added Kim Thayil, famous malayali-american guitarist of iconic grunge band Soundgarden--71.30.188.223 05:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Why was the reference to Padma Lakshmi removed from this page? She is listed as a Malayali (1/2 malayali to be exact) in another webpage here in Wikipedia
