Talk:Liturgical Movement
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[edit] Incorrect
This text only provides the popular version of the Liturgical Movement and nothing is mentioned of the true intentions, which were restoration in the beginning and never the introduction of a new rite. Where is the Dom Guéranger is this article?82.72.148.85 19:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Request for information
I would like some elucidation. Dom Gueranger appears in the article. The article notes the intention to restore for instance Gregorian chant. I wonder if the complainant could re-read the article and make specific rather than generalised comments, some of which indicate that it has not been read carefully. It does indeed present a popular version of the story, derived in good part from the Dictionary of Liturgy and Worship. It is true that it presents different points of view and different elements of the movement. It may well be that it lacks sufficient details whicvh can be found in the above book (and elsewhere).
I am happy to look at the article again and shall do so. May I say that it is easier to offer criticisms than to make constructive suggestions which may well indeed improve the balance. I look forwad to some positive suggestions for the repair of omissions. Roger Arguile 8th May, 11.40 am (UTC)
PS The article in the Dictionary was written by H. Elsworth Chandlee Professor or Liturgics at St. Andrew's Theological Seminary, Manila but Fr. J.D Crichton, the English RC scholar was a contributor. Maybe I have misunderstood these writers but insofar as I have understood them correctly, they can hardly be criticised without evidence.
PPS The distinctiveness of the RC and Protestant movements is disputed. Not only did the Anglicans borrow heavily from the Roman Mass, as in the English Missalbut the Ordo Missae was first trialed at the Ecumenical Community of Taizé. I confess that on all of the above grounds I would be minded to remove the claen up tag but politeness forbids. As for Dom Prosper Gueranger, I am sure that a separate article on him would be welcome. Unfortunately I do not have the knowledge to write such an article. Perhaps the complainent would like to do so. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Roger Arguile (talk • contribs).
- Well, I'm removing them. I see no case here, and the italicised intro is inappropriate. I'm moving it here. Paul B 13:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
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- This article mingles facts from various view points. The liturgical movements in anglican, protestant and Roman Catholic churches are very much distinct and evolved separately. On top of that this article present a one-sided view lacking facts to important early scholars of the liturgical movement. It might have been written from a protestant or Anglican view point, thus lacking foundation in Roman Catholic church history or having a biased view.
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[edit] Revision
I am aware on revisitng this article that it has a number of defects. There is no real ecumenical section; my comments on the Anglican aspect contains disputable statements (from Donald Gray); the Catholic end of things is still thin; there is nothing on France (a desert, I am told) or the United States. The article lends itself to huge distortion by repeating material that is in other articles, something I have attempted to avoid. But, if it any help, I am working on it. I culd write yards on England, but feel that it would distort the article. Roger Arguile 17:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC) PS I note from the paucity of comments here that there are not many folks out there who feel any more confident than I do. Roger Arguile 17:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Tagging
I do not think it is appropriate for this article to be tagged as under either Lutheranism or Anglicanism. If it belongs anywhere there it is within the Roman Catholic Church. I hope I have violated no rule by doing this; if I have then I apologise, but, by way of argument, the article is not of mid importance but of huge importance within the western church becasue it affected all of them, but the influence came, largely, from the Roman Catholic Church. Perhaps I have misunderstood the tagging system in which case I would be grateful for some assistance.Roger Arguile 19:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
