Talk:Māori migration canoes
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[edit] arrangement
I've rearranged the article to try to emphasize the facts that we do have these legends and that the 'fleet hypothesis' is an erroneous conflation of them. In the earlier arrangement, the fleet hypothesis was allowed to swallow too much of the content. Again (as ever) feel free to undo this in part or whole if you think it needs it. Bucketsofg 13:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kiraua canoe
Any more information on this canoe? Nothing on Google - might it be a typo? Kahuroa 01:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] trim PolySoc
I've trimmed the introduction to the 'great fleet' hypothesis, since some of this stuff is not needed here and better understood in the PolySoc and Smith entries.
[edit] whither this article?
Copied from Bucketsofg's talk page:
- Something to consider before moving stuff into SpSmith article. Should we make a new article 'Great Fleet hypothesis' or similar title, to take the stuff out of MMC. This might allow the inclusion of material relating to GFH after SPS. Kahuroa 12:03, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I think maybe we should hold off on some of these points now. What is really needed first, I think, is an article on Fornander. I'm going into the library of the university nearest to where I work and will have a poke around. Bucketsofg 13:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- Sounds like a plan to me. Kahuroa 23:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Just a point tho - if we take out the Great Fleet hypothesis section out of this article, isn't the rest of it really just a restatement of the Smith's Kupe/Seven canoes hypothesis which is regarded pretty scathingly in New Zealand academic circles these days (See the Te Ara articles linked to in the article). That is the reason I put the Great Fleet hypothesis section into this article in the first place Kahuroa 10:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC).
- Yes, that could be a problem. But I don't want to expel it completely, just trim it to a more appropriate length. At the moment SMith's hypothesis seems to swallow up the article: it's as if an evolution article got overwhelmed by explanations of why creationism can't work. What I have in mind is a series of paragraphs on the individual myths, noting what stories come from where, involve whom, etc. Then close with a single short paragraph that Smith attempted to unify these widely divergent myths into a single great fleet, but that it has been refuted because of x and y with a reference to a separate, more lengthy article on the fleet hypothesis. In that article, we can hopefully explain more fully Fornander's influence and Simmon's demolition. But this is just an idea. Bucketsofg✐ 14:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- Just a point tho - if we take out the Great Fleet hypothesis section out of this article, isn't the rest of it really just a restatement of the Smith's Kupe/Seven canoes hypothesis which is regarded pretty scathingly in New Zealand academic circles these days (See the Te Ara articles linked to in the article). That is the reason I put the Great Fleet hypothesis section into this article in the first place Kahuroa 10:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC).
Well the article kind of looked like it was pretty much based on Smith's idea. Your idea is good - BTW see the two links in the External references section for contemporary NZ opinion, especially the second. But what should be done about the articles - mostly stubs admittedly, but easy enough to expand (I must make a to do list) - that already deal with quite a few of these canoes? There is already a bit of duplication - Tainui and Tainui (canoe). 19:52, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
