Talk:Mac Gargan

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[edit] Main Pic

i knwo scorpion has the vemon symbiote right now but when i clicked onto the page i was confusd for a while, Did i click on the Venom page by mistake? This whole symbiote thing will be short lived anyway so i say we put a more classic example of his costume on there--Sublime2681 23:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scorpion Costume

Okay, the Scorpion has been around for along time and he has always been a second tier villain. Basically, he is a moron and that is why Spider Man beats him. So far, the true Venom symbiote (not the clone introduced in the limited series) has only had a couple of hosts: Peter Parker, Eddie Brock, Brock's ex-wife (very brief), The gangster's son, and now the Scorpion. It abandoned the gangster's kid because it discerned that he was an inept weakling. So the suite obviously looks for quality in its hosts. From that you can kind of figure that it won't be holding on to Gargon long, because he is a dumb a**. That is why he got caught immediately after he got the venom symbiote. He's just not terribly bright or effective. Right now he's locked up (as far as I know) so we know the symbiote can't get someone else and it probably will look for another superhuman before anything else.

So its sort of a given that this is a temporary thing to freshen things up a bit. A device used by writers to give characters lasting endurance. Example: Sales down? Make the Hulk gray for a few years. Remove Wolverine's adamantium. Replace Thor with an alien Horse-guy who steals his girlfriend. Give Spidey a Black costume for a few years. Take away Spidey's powers, introduce a clone, kill the clone give him back his powers. Temporary pattern. Of course Scorpion is a more minor character than all of these examples, but the Venom symbiote isn't. So what they want to do is put the symbiote on a bunch of complete losers for a little while and make the readers who really want to see that Old Venom who could kick the hell out of Spidey back, pine for thier favorite villain; build that anticipation. Then in the climax to some story, Brock (who isn't an imbecile like Gargon) or possibly even Cletus Cassidy (yah I know he's supposed to be dead) gets the symbiote. Heck, Venom was originally supposed to be a female character. Why not give it to the second Spider-Woman who lost all her powers?

Point is that the Venom symbiote on Gargon is a temporary plot device. And the main panel shouldn't reflect a temporary plot device. When you look back at the hundred or some odd comic books Scorpion has appeared in he didn't have an alien symbiote. So its good to mention the symbiote, and show a picture but its a little presumptuous to put it on the main character panel as though its gonna stay that way.

Now if this were the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Update 2005, then naturally we would have a pic of the Venom Scorpion. But its an Encyclopedia meant to depict what the character represents in terms of the culture and history of comic books, which entails the original costume.

That is my 2 cents. Enough people don't think so. I won't try to fight it.

Oh yah, another point. For those of us who have followed the spidey books for all of these years, we know that the Scorpion is already physically more than a match for Spidey. He's as strong as Spider-Man and then add another half to that. And he is more durable. So its obvious that all of the physical powers he has aren't helping him beat Spider-man. He's stronger, more durable, has a better arsenal, he is just as fast and agile, and yet he always gets his a$* handed to him. So making him stronger and adding a few more powers is not going to help the guy; the alien symbiote costume is redundant. Analogy: if your car has problems with its transmission, and you improve the suspension and make the engine more powerful and then take it on a cross country trip, your transmission is still gonna fail. He needs a brain transplant. Mediocre intelligence; albiet with some investigative skills, has allways been a part of the Scorpion character. That's another reason I just don't see the plot device lasting. ScifiterX 10:27, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

ScifiterX 08:13, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

It seems like Gargan will remain Venom for the time being. He's appeared in Beyond!, he's going to appear in Civil War, and he's going to be a member of the new Thunderbolts. --DrBat 17:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hawthorne reference

The female Scorpion's birth name is explicitly, rather than "doubtless" a reference to Hawthorne ([1], [2]), but it comes from her first appearance, not the HoM Hulk issues. I don't have time to rewrite that section just now, but if someone would fix it... - SoM 15:30, 18 August 2005 (UTC)