Talk:Madonna

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Content of this page was moved to Talk:Madonna (singer) after disambiguation.

This page is linked from 7 user pages and 11 other articles. I think they're all about the pop singer. I'm gonna resolve any double links I find. --Uncle Ed 15:26, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Now only 7 user pages link here. My job is done. --Uncle Ed 17:21, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 Proposed move 2 Categories on disambiguation page 3 hmmm... 4 Madonna's entertainer to artiste

[edit] Proposed move

Madonna (disambiguation) → Madonna. Madonna currently redirects to Madonna (entertainer); it should be used for the disambig page. —tregoweth 00:11, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

• I support this. Thryduulf
• Support, so long as no one messes with Madge. -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 00:58, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Strongest support. Of course "Madonna" should be a disambiguation page, as it long was. -- Infrogmation 03:16, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Bah! I can't speak for the rest of the English speaking world, but strongly doubt that there are any US English-speaking folks, with the possible exception of a few little old ladies who spend all their time in church, who would think that "Madonna" referred to anybody other than the singer. Yes, I think that most such people would recognize that, in other languages, "Madonna" is used to refer to the Virgin Mary, but that's not the usage in American English. Stories like this one http://www.catholic-homeschool.com/Library/Greetings/Gr_Dec_01/gr_dec_01.htm only make sense because in the US, "Madonna" means the singer to almost everyone. --Rkstafford 14:59, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Note, it was already moved, as noted below. BTW, Wikipedia is global, not just "US English"-- and doubt anynone in the US still knows what the singer's name is a reference to, you might wish to spend some time with some Catholics or people interested in art history. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 15:28, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I understand that I'm arguing about a done deal, and I'm not suggesting going through the trouble of changing it back, but I think this was a bad choice. I understand that this is en.wikipedia.org, not us.wikipedia.org, but something like 340 million individuals speak English as their first language, and my best guess is that around two-thirds of those individuals are US residents. Considering more broadly all speakers, rather those with English as their first language, the numbers are approximately 500 million total English speakers, of which well more than half are US residents. And, since the singer now lives in London, I'm guessing that most UK English speakers use "Madonna" to refer to the singer. As for Catholics' use of the term, the ones I know under 50 mean the singer when they talk about "Madonna". --38.112.11.10 20:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 21:49, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Categories on disambiguation page

The following should be moved out of the People category and into another, perhaps new, (Things?) category:

   * Madonna (Madonna album), a 1983 album by the American pop singer
   * Madonna (Trail of Dead), a 1999 album by the band …And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead
   * Lady Madonna, a song by The Beatles

[edit] hmmm...

Sorry to bring this up all over again, but I tried to remove links to this page, and my job was done very quickly. About 20 were namespace links, while the remaining 200 or so were from WP or user pages which think that Madonna goes here. I'd propose reviving Madonna (disambiguation), and leading this straight to Madge's page... but I'm scared of getting yelled at... — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • 12:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, for what it's worth. Ms Ciccone's article should be here, with a dab template at the top. --kingboyk 22:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Madonna's entertainer to artiste

The term 'artiste' is definitely more appropriate to describe Madonna Louise Ciccone than 'entertainer', which is used for circus clowns, cabaret shows, etc, which is absolutely ridiculous. Madonna is an artiste not an entertainer - she is pop star! Do not use words like idiosyncratic, sure you jest, but the term 'entertainer' is more idiosyncratic than artiste which is a more appropriate term... If there are any alternative choice of words, prefably it would be (Singer/Actress), (Performer) or (Artiste).

'Entertainer' is an insult to the Madonna whom u classified her amongst circus clowns, cabaret show girls, magicians, stand-up comedians and game-show hosts... Madonna is not in the same category as them! Stealthusa 06:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Let us not talk about merit hierarchies. I pointed out long ago that entertainer doesn't seem appropriate (and not for the reasons you list, just because it is a different thing than what she is) but artiste is a little too generic. 'Singer', I suppose, would be just fine. She has written books, acted, etc. but I don't believe she can fairly referred to as a writer or actor. These latter activities are mentioned in the article, but that doesn't mean we should generalize the article title to cover all of them or every single thing she has done in life, with the risk to get to something like "Madonna (human being)" (no offense intended). Also, I don't think artiste is the term used in other similar cases. —Gennaro Prota^•Talk 12:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Second revert. --Htmlism 16:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't see "entertainer" as in anyway demeaning as implied, but what are other options? Clearly calling her "Queen" as an anon editor wishes to do is promotional and in violation of Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. What do other people think? -- Infrogmation 19:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I think "entertainer" is fine - it sums her up perfectly. "Artiste" is bizarre and as far as I can see doesn't mean anything. Vashti 12:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)