User talk:Maikeli

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Hello, Maikeli, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Btw, I loved your article on Turaga na Rasau. As a completely ignorant reader, tho, there were some things that I wanted to know right at the start, like which country this refers to (OK, I found refs to Fuji, but lower down). Also, I didn't understand whether Lomaloma Tikina was a place, a people, or something else. Any chance you could add these details in the introductory paragraph? And any help you can give throughout the article on words like Roko Tui Bau will be gratefully read by this Wikipedian at least! If you want to reply to any of this, I will find it here or here. Many thanks, and happy editing! JackyR 03:02, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Mere Tusalalo

this item has relivance as to the connection the family has with the Turaga Na Rasau Title.

at the time the marriage to Ratu keni signified the joining of two tribes, her details and family background are relievant to the article and to the people of Lomaloma and their history.

Thank you Maikeli

[edit] Thank you!

Bula Maikeli!

Thank you so much for your warm words. It's always heartwarming to find that somebody has noticed and appreciated the time I've put into this project. I've found your own writings about Fijian chiefs to be very interesting, and you've already filled in quite a few gaps that lacked information in any reference books I could find. Thank you so much for that! I'm so glad you're active on Wikipedia. One of the things that I love about Wikipedia is that all of us can pool our knowledge, bringing everybody's expertise together in one place. Thanks once again for your kind words. I really enjoy working with you. David Cannon 23:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] abuses toward me please note

from discussion page with david cannon FROM MAIKELI Bula David

Merry Christmas and a happy New Year, please ask your sub editor xork1000 to no longer make defamtory remarks toward me and remain objective in critisms and at least have the courage to identify him or herself.

objectivity is exactly the issue here - he has none - he is writing about his own relatives. I have a right to my anononimity (this has nothing to do with Mr. Benefield, i happen to live in a dictatorship where people are beaten up by the military for expressing their opinion) --Xorkl000 09:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

wikipedia I thought of as an objective place with sensible individuals who are fair minded not individuals who make unfounded and untrue comments, my contributions are not drivel and I am not walking around blowing my own horn.

I stand by both statements. His work is drivel, this is obvious when you read it. He does not have objective distance from the subject matter (they are all his relatives). This is bad form both from a Fijian cultural perspective and the policies of Wikipedia --Xorkl000 09:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

the research is cumilation of research done by Ratu Viliame Fonolahi (turaga na Rasau now deceased), Ratu David Toganivalu (Turaga Na Masau from Bau now also deceased, RatuIvan Keni (Ratu Viliame's son), and Ratu Keni Naulumatua (Jnr and current Rasau)and Myself it is 50 years worht of research with great effort and difficulty.

There you go, he's admitted it - the articles are in clear violation of WP:NOR and WP:V, they need to be sent to WP:AFD immediately. If I were to do this my objectivity would be questioned, can i ask you to start this process. --Xorkl000 09:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope I would be treated with more fairness and respect

I see no evidence that he deserves any. His work is of poor quality, he has no understanding of how this place works (nor has any shown any desire to increase his understanding). I have met this person in the flesh, he really is an incredibly stupid individual - there is really nothing we can do for people like this. --Xorkl000 09:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

FROM MAIKELI

Bula David

thank you for your input, I am having trouble with knowing how to format things right using wikipedia and I am learning I am sorry if I put you out but as I said earlier thank you for your help in steering me right, I would not have presented in that format to my English teacher if I were studing but those days are long gone and I only get to work on the article in my spare time, I am still learning to get used to using wikipedia.

as for Xork1000 I am not interested in getting into a war on words my point simply is if he is going to talk big then identify himself and do not hide behind and alias, secondly at least be diplomatic about his criticism as educated men we should at least extend eachother that courtesy.

the spelling and grammar of the above statement (and everything else he has written) make me wonder how includes himself in the category of "educated men" --Xorkl000 09:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

again I do not wish to bother you any longer on the topic, I will make an effort to go back through my resource material as well as improving the articles I have contributed, again I am limited in time and I hope you would be understanding in that regard.

thank you once again for your effort David tobe honest and give me constructive feedback.

Vinaka Maikeli

[edit] Your contributions

Hi there! I would have preferred not to get involved in the war of words between you and Xork. I am not Fijian and cannot judge the accuracy of what you write; that's partly why I asked him to review it. Now, can you listen for a moment - and try not to take what I'm saying too personally?

While Xork may have said some things a lot more strongly than I would, I can understand his frustration. As an English teacher who tutors foreign immigrants, I have to tell you that if one of my students presented me with an essay like one of your articles, I'd hit the roof. Your punctuation is absolutely random at best, your text is full of typos large numbers of words are just run together. Your information tends to be rambling and disorganized. I cannot always clean up what you have written, because some if it is too scrambled to decipher. So what can we do about it?

Please make the effort to write in paragraphs, to spell and punctuate correctly, to organize your information logically, and to substantiate what you've written with sources and/or references. If you will do that, then - and only then - will I ask Xork to consider toning down his rhetoric.

There is nothing personal about what I've written. This is just common-sense policy. David Cannon 06:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FROM MAIKELI

Bula David

thank you once again for your effort David tobe honest and give me constructive feedback.

Vinaka Maikeli

Thanks all right. I'll be here to help:-) David Cannon 08:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

below my earlier post to David: FROM MAIKELI Bula David

I hope I would be treated with more fairness and respect

Malo Maikeli

[edit] From xorkl000

Bula Vinaka Xork1000

Bula to you as well --Xorkl000 09:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I must ask before you make defamatory comments toward me ensure you have your facts straight and at least have the courage to show your true identity.

My facts are perfectly straight thank you. As for my anonimity, i have a right to it. I live in a totalitarian dictatorship that beats people up for voicing thier opinion. I will remain anonymous, this has nothing to do with you --Xorkl000 09:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

my research is a cumilation of research done with Ratu Viliame Fonolahi Turaga na Rasua now deceased, Ratu Tevita Toganivalu Turaga Na masau ( Bau), Ratu Ivan Keni (Ratu Viliame son), Ratu Keni Naumumatua (Jnr)and it is a cumilation of research over the last 50 years.

Thank You. You have made it clear that your articles are original research, this is explicitly forbidden by our rules, i will be moving for them to be deleted as soon as possible --Xorkl000 09:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

while it is a free world to express as you please and I respect that, but please insure you remain objective in your comments to articles and to the contributers.

You have shown your inability to respect our cultural norms and the rules of wikipedia. Your articles are of poor quality. I see no reason to hold back from telling people the truth. ---Xorkl000 09:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From xorkl000 (part deux)

Bula Xork1000

if you have constructive disagreements on topics I have contributed to please advise me and I will try use that critisms to improve content or find and answer to concerns.

I agree my Radio and TV presence was a bit so so but the media industry is a growing one and you find people have to make the mistakes and others will come later to improve on.I did have one or two good moments though...well at least I hope.

i didn't see any, although I must admit your replacement on IQ Active was even worse than you --Xorkl000 09:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I for many years was raised very european oriented and when later in life I discovered and learned and am still learning my Fijian ties as I am Vasu, I may have been guilty of boast here and there and as I mature that part of my character I am trying to change and improve in and learn more humility, but I have tryed to make sure that my words are true and can be backed up if my presence offended you then I am sorry.

good for you mate, but this means that english is your first language. How come you can't write it worth a damn then? --Xorkl000 09:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

but I will continue to be who I am and will try to improve my character, my life and the lives of those around me in whatever little way I can but its lifetime process and I am trying, you should learn to be bit fairer in your assesments of others.

Not really, i have no time for imbeciles. I have many years of experience of you in media and in person, and now on wikipedia, all of which confirm that this is exactly what you are. This is my honest and fair assessment. --Xorkl000 09:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

anyway Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Thanks for that, the same well wishes for season to you and your family. --Xorkl000 09:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FROM MAIKELI

Bula Xork1000

I thought maybe you would be of stronger character and at least have the nerve to identify yourself and comment fairly instead you have hurled further insults rather disappointing.

i believe i made myself perfectly clear above, i live in a totalitarian state. I don't have the luxury of identifying myself, this has nothing to do with you. --Xorkl000 12:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

but its a free world if you have the courage say it to my face if not that it shows your true character.

again, you seen unable to read or comprehend my earlier statements, further indication that you are indeed an imbecile. --Xorkl000 12:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

anyway do what you have to do and let the chips fall where they may.

all the best

Malo Maikeli

[edit] AFD

Hello again. I'll compromise. I'll list several of your articles on AFD, but will not vote myself. I'll let other Wikipedians make up their own minds about them. It will also give you the opportunity to express your own point of view, explain why they shouldn't be deleted, etc. I have no wish to get involved in a personal quarrel between you and anybody else, but as an administrator, I have the responsibility of upholding Wikipedia policy and rules. Original research is not allowed; everything must be verifiable - in other words, linked to an external source that other Wikipedians can access. Failing that, I cannot save your articles. Sorry. David Cannon 10:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] forget it dave

I don't need right now

I'll delete it myself rtaher then have unfair and biased people redicule years of hard work forget it dave forget it hope you and your sub editor have a nice life

Maikeli

[edit] Your edit to Turaga na Rasau

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[edit] Re: Forget it dave

Maikeli, I'm beginning to lose patience here. If your articles really are the result of years of hard word, as you say they are, what have you got to fear from a group of Wikipedians looking at the articles and deciding, as a group, whether they should be removed or whether they are redeemable. With you saying that your articles are well-researched, and Xork saying they are not, the fairest thing I can do as an administrator is to lay the matter before a neutral panel (in this case, the wikipedia community as a whole) and let them decide. I intend to do that. Most of the people manning AFD have had nothing to do with YOU, ME, or XORKL000 and therefore are unlikely to be "unfair" or "biased" as you allege - that's a serious charge to make, by the way.

Update: in the course of writing this, I see you have tried to delete one of your own articles. I'm sorry, but you can't do that. Only administrators can delete articles - and only after getting consensus on AFD. David Cannon 10:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FROM MAIKELI

Dave

I am getting insulted and my personal character slandered its beyond the article and you condone this type of talk from you editors and your getting impatient with me.

my point is I do not deserve to be unfairly insulted and slandered, I would prefer just withdraw all my contributions and leave it be.

to much crap going on for me to go through this so if I may remove all my work and research and go about my own business rather then put up with this.

then everybody is happy and can get on with what I need without this dis-respect

my contribution is of no great consequence so please let me be on my way and allow me to remove all my work

Maikeli

I don't have the POWER to "allow" you to remove all your work. There's a PROCESS that has to be followed, dude! You don't have administrative rights. I have - but I'm not allowed to exercise them without going through the AFD process. So I cannot just nuke everything on the spot. Besides, some of your articles need not be deleted. A few of the shorter ones have already been rewritten with verifiable information, so there's no need for a blanket ban. Each article will be treated on a case-by-case basis.

As far as I'm concerned, the issue is whether your articles comply with Wikipedia's policies or not. There is nothing personal in this at all. David Cannon 11:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Keni Naulumatua

Keni Naulumatua has been nominated for deletion. Do you have some reference sources that can be used to support the information written at the article?--Kevin Murray 11:37, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Before I wrote the above, I didn't see that you are having a bad time with the process. This can be frustrating and seem arbitrary. The reason I contacted you is that my "mission" is to help contributors perserve meaningful articles such as yours. Please understand that there are other people at Wikipedia who will support you and help you through the process. I believe that you were mislead by another editor who told you that you must supply online links to your resources. I don't believe this to be true. Please look at Wikipedia:Notability. Good luck and let me know whether I can help. --Kevin Murray 11:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks Mr Murray

my research and work is true as I am not able always get on the net and work on it more and also I am still learning how format articles on Wikipedia it is difficult.

however if it is deleted or not it still remains true.

anyway let the community decide on wikipedia

Maikeli

[edit] Please note the following

the "Ai Cavuti vaka tikina" lists the "Turaga na Ravunisa" wrongly as when it was written there was a period between when Ratu Viliam Fonolahi died and then when Ratu Keni was then nominated by the Vanua of LOMALOMA THE LAU PROVINCIAL COUNCIL AND THE FIJIAN AFFAIRS BOARD WHO HAVE RECORDS AND WILL CONFIRM THIS, THIS IS A LONG ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND REQUIRES THE SIGNTURES OF ALL THE CHIEFLY FAMILY OF VALELEVU OF LOMALOMA TIKINA this process has already been completed. and the traditional installation would have taken place this year but current political events have changed this and next year looks like a more likely period. the Ravunisa and the Tribe are subjects of Lomaloma Tikina traditionally leadership of the Tikina was nevr their role records at FAB will show that the Yavusa Buca is subject to the leadership of the Turaga Na Rasau. There are also early records that are kept by the Fijian affairs board also records in the "Au vola ni kawa bula" (the book holds all the records of titles and title holders and villages and their various families) at the Fijian affairs board which will confirm the soverenty of the "Turaga Na Rasau" please contact them direct before considering this and related articles for deletion. Actually all titles and articles on Fiji should be confirmed by the FAB (Fijian Affairs Board) and the variuos provincial councils to which they belong. many people entering information regarding Fijian traditional titles and history on wikipedia do not have expressed permission of the provinicial councils and the Fijian affairs board and therefore should all be re-considered and reviewed pending the endorsement of the respective councils and Tikinas to which this history and information belongs and it should be endorsed by the Great Council of Chiefs not just of one or two books written by individuals or one or two independant sources My endorsement comes from the current Turaga Na Rasau who has been endorsed and selected by the Tikina of Lomaloma which has the endorsement of the Lau Provincial Council which has the endorsement of the Fijian Affairs Board, authorites that exist now who have collected definative information over the last 100 years and are traditionally and Nationally recognised Bodies

Vinaka Maikeli

Thank you FROM USER MAIKELI

[edit] Please review

Please read and review further discussions between Xork1000 also see David Cannons comment regarding my articles:

2. Now, the other issue. I have started the process of listing several of User:Maikeli's contributions on AFD. I've already listed Turaga na Ravunisa and will list Turaga na Rasau and possibly several others before the night is out. I think there's a 95 percent certainty that his incoherent ramblings will be gone by next week. David Cannon 10:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

good, i've added my FJD 0.02 already. I happen to think that Turaga na Ravunisa should stay, but the rest need to go --Xorkl000 13:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC) You're most welcome. I think the Keni Naulumatua II article should be listed also, so I'll do that. BTW, if you need any more help with your archiving, just let me know:-) David Cannon 00:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Xork1000 please note the following:

"Ai Cavuti vaka tikina" lists the "Turaga na Ravunisa" wrongly as when it was written there was a period between when Ratu Viliam Fonolahi died and then when Ratu Keni was then nominated by the Vanua of LOMALOMA THE LAU PROVINCIAL COUNCIL AND THE FIJIAN AFFAIRS BOARD WHO HAVE RECORDS AND WILL CONFIRM THIS, THIS IS A LONG ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND REQUIRES THE SIGNTURES OF ALL THE CHIEFLY FAMILY OF VALELEVU OF LOMALOMA TIKINA this process has already been completed. and the traditional installation would have taken place this year but current political events have changed this and next year looks like a more likely period. there are also early records that are kept by the Fijian affairs board also records in the "Au vola ni kawa bula" (the book holds all the records of titles and title holders and villages and their various families) at the Fijian affairs board which will confirm the soverenty of the "Turaga Na Rasau" please contact them direct before considering this and related articles for deletion. Actually all titles and articles on Fiji should be confirmed by the FAB (Fijian Affairs Board) and the variuos provincial councils to which they belong. many people entering information regarding Fijian traditional titles and history on wikipedia do not have expressed permission of the provinicial councils and the Fijian affairs board and therefore should all be re-considered and reviewed pending the endorsement of the respective councils and Tikinas to which this history and information belongs and it should be endorsed by the Great Council of Chiefs not just of one or two books written by individuals or one or two independant sources

What are your credetals to comment on this subject??

Maikeli

err ... i don't need credentials. I'm not the one doing original research or writing unverifiable articles. Credentials are irrelevant here, only thing that matters are the policies and rules of wikipedia. If you are not willing to follow them perhaps you need so take your work elsewhere. --Xorkl000 01:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Bula I am afraid motive and credentials on what gives you the right to ridicule and belittle me and the title of the Turaga Na Rasau and related articles is relivent.

You have put me and my articles under questioning and scrutiny and I feel since you are a key source on Fiji related topics and traditional and historic matters, you should give your credentials if your information and input is to be trusted and relied upon by wikipedia. You owe that to your fellow countrymen of which I am one regardless of your hate and distain for me personally.

what are your motives Xork1000, mine I have clearly stated and I am not hiding behind an alias, as for documentation there is a considerable sum to digitise from Suva and from the FAB and the Au Vola Ni Kawa Bula and I will get to that.

but who are you to comment so freely and dis-respectfully toward me and my Vanua and Orall history of my people.

Malo Maikeli

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Xorkl000"

[edit] credentials?

And while were on the subject, what are your credentials? You can't even spell Ai vola ni kawa bula properly, so forgive me if I wonder about how you've become an authority on the subject. --Xorkl000 02:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Credentials

I firstly have been given authority by the current Turaga Na Rasau who is put in place by the Vanua of Lomaloma which is endorsed by the Lau Provincial council which is endorsed by the Fijian Affairs board, which is recognised Fijian institution.

a title that i suspect you have just dreamed up one day. --Xorkl000 03:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

he and he alone is allowed to access confidential files on Lomaloma history title holders and birth records of all in the Tikina of Lomaloma contained and compiled by the Fijian affairs board over the last century.

thats news to me, Tukutuku Raraba ni Yavusa are all publicly available at NLC and FAB --Xorkl000 03:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

documents of which I KNOW NEED TO GET AUTHORITY TO DIGITISE because of the current dispute raised by you and David this will take me time because I work in the western side of Fiji and need to travel to Suva and then ungo the long process of getting forms and paper work and then the permission to allow them to viewed in the public domain this wil be a long process.

good, this is what you are going to have to do if you are going to save these articles. As they are now they do not comply with WP:V and WP:NOR --Xorkl000 03:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

as my ability to compile articles correctly I need help and guidance as I am having trouble to format it right on wikipedia, help I thought I would get from David but he has abviously trying give me the flick also.

sorry mate, not interested in that excuse, i learnt it from reading the manual, perhaps you should do the same --Xorkl000 03:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

as for my spelling error you were right and thank for the correction.(Ai not Au)

I do not have a degree in Anthropology if thats what you are looking for, but I have had considerable experience in Management, Protocol Management as well as Media, my qualifications are sales and Marketing and soldiering funnily enough, with basic training as an intern minister with regard to bible history.

none of this is of any interest to me, please start reading the policies of this place and start abiding by them, otherwise just leave. --Xorkl000 03:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] please read

David Cannons comment on Ratu Keni Naulumatua II:

Keni Naulumatua II Keni Naulumatua II (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) I can find no credible references to this individual outside of wikipedia. No websites, books, or newspapers that I know of mention him, and no Fijian individual I have consulted - apart from the primary author of the article - has ever heard of him. I suspect this article may constitute original research. David Cannon 00:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

MAIKELIS COMMENT This individual exists birth records and Fijian afairs boards records and Native land trust board records will show this, David let me ask have ever even been to Fiji who have you asked and what authority do they speak on behalf, I question your sources David My sources are the Turaga Na Rasau himself which is the identy in question and he was put there by the Tikina of Lomaloma its elders and members of the cheifly clan Valelevu, which was endorsed and documented by the Lau provincial Council which was endorsed by the Fijian Affairs board which is also recognised and endorsed by the Great Council of Chiefs and also recognised by the Native Lands Trust Board. The question is what are your source to comment so authoratatively on Fijian traditional titles and title holders and Fijian History, when you have no endorsement from any of these recognised Fijian institutions. You also won't find in any books the title Taukei Nalotu of Solevu village held by Ratu Seva or the Turaga Na Ravouvou of Kadavu Island which is held by Ratu Kini, you probably won't have any references to the Malo of Kaba of Bau Tikina, nor references to the SauTuraga of Macuata to mention but a few, yet all these titles exist as do the individuals who hold them and have a very real history of which it has been documented by Fijian authorites, records which are not public domain but true record nevertheless and only accessable by the respective head clans and their senior kinsmen

FROM MAIKELI

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Keni_Naulumatua_II"

[edit] Bula to you as well

I am afraid motive and credentials on what gives you the right to ridicule and belittle me and the title of the Turaga Na Rasau and related articles is relivent.

two separate issues, the fact that i think you are an idiot has nothing to do with the fact that you are not following WP:V and WP:NOR --Xorkl000 06:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

again you avoid the issue, follow wikipedia rules regarding verifiability and the prohibition on original research or get out - these are your two options.

by the way i don't hate you, but i agree that "disdain" would be an accurate word to use --Xorkl000 06:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

i've proposed in the AFD page that we give you two months to do this. As for my motives they are simple - to rid wikipedia of unsourced and unverified articles, and original research. --Xorkl000 06:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

but who are you to comment so freely and dis-respectfully toward me and my Vanua and Orall history of my people.

i believe you to be an imbecile, english is your first language, yet everything you write is riddled with grammatical and spelling errors. You have shown consistently that you are unable to grasp the basics of wikipedia formatting and processes, even after months of work here. These observations speak for themselves.

I have the utmost respect for your vanua and the oral history of Vanua Balavu, if your articles happened to based on that then i would leave them alone. i just happen to believe that the content of your articles are made up and the product of a fabulist. Luckily i don't have to prove this assertion, it is you who have to prove me wrong in conformance with WP:V and WP:NOR (that is if you want them to remain in Wikipedia). --Xorkl000 06:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scanning Documents

Why don't you recontact me when you have the documents scanned and ready to go, and give me an email address where I can contact you directly.

Talk to you soon.

--Kevin Murray 22:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Perhaps a source

You probably already know this, but if you can have access to JSTOR database, this article of Arthur Maurice Hocart could help you in your reasearch about the Rasau. [[1]] It seems that Keni Naulumatua made for him an account of the origin of the Rasau. Good luck and merry new year.

Nevers

Thank You and happy, prosperous New Year MB 21:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citing Books and Newspaper Articles that Aren't On-Line

Happy New Years to you as well, Maikeli. Glad to hear that my advice has been helpful. Regarding your question as to whether or not offline sources such as books and newspaper articles are acceptable sources, yes they are. There are two ways to go about citing them in an article, both are laid out at WP:CITE which is a very helpful guideline for this topic. I'll summarize how to do it for you, though. When you are citing something in the article, such as a particular sentence or paragraph, you need to place the cite at the end of that sentence or paragraph. This is done by typing the following code WITHOUT the space in it (I'm including a space because otherwise the code wouldn't show up in writing here but would actually come up as a cite). Type a typical biliographic entry (Author. Book or Article Title. City of Publication: Publisher, Year of Copywright) in between a < ref> and < /ref> tag, without the spaces between the < and the rest of that tag. When you save the page the bibliographic info will appear at the bottom of the page and will be linked to by a small number at the end of the sentence where you placed the tag.

The second way to cite, which is better for more generalized references, is to actually ad a references section to the article as you would any other subsection. Just give the subsection the title of 'References' and type out the bibliographic information in that section without the above mentioned tags. Hope that helps. If not, do check out WP:CITE as it has a wealth of information about doing this. --The Way 19:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Why don't we continue as planned. Get your documentation scanned and let's go from there. I think that there are ways that we can get your work published if the documentation is adequate.

--Kevin Murray 04:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your articles

Just letting you know that the decision of the AFD vote was to delete Turaga na Rasau, Turaga na Ravunisa, Keni Naulumatua, Keni Naulumatua II, and Mere Tuisalalo pending sourcing.

In practical terms, that means that if and when you can get a credible source to cite, as you have been planning, just let me (or any other administrator) know, and we'll restore the relevant articles. (They're still in the system, accessible only to administrators). David Cannon 09:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your latest edits

Your latest edits are much better than before. Just one suggestion, though: for a small price, you can buy a program called ASUTYPE, which corrects your spelling as you go, removing superfluous capitals, etc. You can get if from http://www.asutype.com Anyway, if your future edits are on a par with these latest ones, I'll be pleased. David Cannon 00:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] War and Peace

Malo a Bula Xork1000

Bula Vinaka tale yani, appreciate if you could get my username correct --Xorkl000 10:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sticking around, I hope dispite your dislike for me that we are able to be civil while contributing on wikipedia, I love Fiji and Fiji history of particular interest is the area of Lomaloma Tikina, I will in future ensure I abide by the rules of Wikipedia, because if I Don't you'll be right there to point it out.

WP:CIVIL is an important rule, but my view is that if it does not serve any useful purpose if its prevents us from making full disclosure of all the baggage we bring here. Otherwise it makes us dishonest. I promise to be more civil, but I will not be dishonest. --Xorkl000 10:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd rather not make enemies but try and work with you to help contribute constructively to Fiji related articles, I hope you can find it in you to put aside your past opinions of me and allow me to prove to you that I can show some signs of intelligence and contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia.

I remain unconvinced, but as the book says "every tree is known by his own fruit", and thats how all of of us will be judged here. I will note that your work is already improving --Xorkl000 10:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Likewise, i'm sure --Xorkl000 10:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vunivalu of Bau

Bula Maikeli, I've noticed your work (and arguments haha!) and have decided to join the fray of articles going around regarding Fiji. While my area of interest is Rotuma in particular, I've recently noticed some gaps that I thought should be filled. If you look at my contributions I've recently spent some time writing articles about the various Vunivalu of Bau, mainly writing from text sources by Sam Berwick. I realise that this is a little one sided so invite your critiques.

Firstly though I must tell you that I hope you don't feel too disheartened by our disagreements with Xorkl000 and continue to work to bring new information (cited, not new research of course) to this great resource called wikipedia.

I bring the following to you because i realise your knowledge of fijian nobles is probably much greater than my own. I noticed that for the table on the Vunivalu of Bau page, there are no listed Vunivalu between Penaia Kadavulevu and George Cakobau. Would it be so presumptuous that I should not include in the list Ratu Popi Seniloli, g/son of the Tui Viti Cakobau, which in my book is listed as the next Vunivalu after his cousin Penaia and/or list his supposed successor Tevita Naulivou (elder brother of George Cakobau).

I realise the contentiousness of this, considering Popi is seemingly quite low in terms of order of precedence to have inherited the Vunivalu from his cousin, when he (Popi) was the son of Cakobau's 3rd son Joseva Celua. However, unless Popi inherited the Vunivalu, neither would have George Cakobau, the last Vunivalu listed and Popi's son. Please give me your thoughts on the matter. Vinaka Matt Bray 04:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fiji Users

To all Wiki Users born in Fiji Pliz add this userbox to your user page {{user Fiji}} --Cometstyles 16:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you The Micheal Benefield the Legend FM Announcer and former IQ Active Host??..ø~Cometstyles~ø^{^(talk)}

Thats so COOL cause I didnt expect any1 from fiji to be on this site and than I saw your profile and was really excited to know that the famous "MB" also has contributed a lot to Wikipedia.. anywayz just like you Iam also a new member to this site and yes if you ever needed help I would be more that happy to Oblige..Thanx..Cometstyles ^talk

Bythe way Iam starting to love your userpage..keep up the good work..--Cometstyles 13:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No email from you

I haven't seen an email yet, but might be in the spam buster. The eamil through wikipedia gets to me from other people.

I think that we should take our time before trying to republish since it just faield AfD.

--Kevin Murray 22:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello!

Hi there! Yes, I think covering Fiji's religion, right back from pre-Christian times, is an excellent idea! It will be good to see your work, Maikeli, and I'll help you with the formatting, crosslinking, and categorizing. Have a great day! David Cannon 11:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fiji Project

Hey I would like you to join two groups because of the work that you are doing.One is regarding Fiji Wikipedia:WikiProject Fiji and it is for all users who are helping to make articles on Fiji and its history ,biodiversity ,culture and helping improve Fiji related articles and the other group is Wikipedia:WikiProject Fiji Rugby for all the big ardent rugby fans of Fiji and this group was created by me so that we could better improve articles related to Fiji Rugby because when I joined there was hardly any Fiji rugby related articles here and I along with a few other Wikipedians helped to improve them..Her are the templtes of both if you want to add them to your userpage..

{{User WikiProject Fiji}}
{{User WikiProject Fiji Rugby}}

Thanx..--Cometstyles 19:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Thanks

Glad I could help in reverting the vandalism on Lomaloma. There's no real way of stopping people from writing silly profanities on an article as anyone can edit it. However, most such edits are promptly reverted and if people do it persistently they are warned and may be blocked for a period of time. This hopefully discourages them from doing it again. By the way, nice work on the articles. Keep it up! Will (aka Wimt) 08:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] vunivalu article

Vunivalu of Bau article had the following issues:

poorly written, bad grammar, extremely ponderous constructions
inaccurate - the overthrow of Visawaqa was not primarily as a result of rivalry between the Tui Kaba and the Roko Tui Bau, it was far more complex than that
Gave undue weight to Visawaqa and Cakobau, these two individuals already have articles
refences - the way you are citing them is incorrect and confusing, please read WP:CITE#HOW

--Xorkl000 22:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Rotuman

Hi!

I'm looking at putting together a Wikipedia in the Rotuman Language for the sake of the preservation of the language in the years to come, as the diaspora continues. If you can help by voting in this process, please do so at the following address: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Rotuman

Noa'ia 'e mauri, and vinaka vakalevu! Mattbray 09:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Mere Tusalalo

[edit] Thank you!

[edit] abuses toward me please note

[edit] Your contributions

[edit] FROM MAIKELI

[edit] From xorkl000

[edit] From xorkl000 (part deux)

[edit] FROM MAIKELI

[edit] AFD

[edit] forget it dave

[edit] Your edit to Turaga na Rasau

[edit] Re: Forget it dave

[edit] FROM MAIKELI

[edit] Keni Naulumatua

[edit] Thanks Mr Murray

[edit] Please note the following

[edit] Please review

[edit] credentials?

[edit] My Credentials

[edit] please read

[edit] Bula to you as well

[edit] Scanning Documents

[edit] Perhaps a source

[edit] Citing Books and Newspaper Articles that Aren't On-Line

[edit] Your articles

[edit] Your latest edits

[edit] War and Peace

[edit] Vunivalu of Bau

[edit] Fiji Users

[edit] No email from you

[edit] Hello!

[edit] Fiji Project

[edit] Re: Thanks

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