Talk:Marcello Truzzi

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[edit] "Extraordinary claims require ..." quote

I added a citation flag ^{[citation needed]} to this famous quote in the article because elsewhere on wiki at the article for Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal they are claiming that Carl Sagan coined it. Personally I don't care who originated it. I just want this issue cleared up. Permission is granted to delete this comment (send it to the archive) by any editor if this problem is resolved. 5Q5 19:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Sagan used the phrase but I'm pretty sure he didn't originate it. Bubba73 (talk), 21:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Thinking about it more, I think that one of the Truzi obituaries (maybe the one by Paul Kurtz) gave Truzi as the originator of the phrase (although it is similar to the one of Laplace mentioned in the article). Bubba73 (talk), 00:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I found an article by Truzzi in which he claims to have coined the phrase and then Sagan popularized it. I referenced it in the main article. Easy to find by doing a search on Google for "Extrordinary claims" Truzzi. I began this section. 5Q5 14:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, it is good for that to go in. However, his phrase is basically the same as the principle of Laplace, which is mentioned in the article. Bubba73 (talk), 15:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] skeptic's skeptic

In what sense was Truzzi a "skeptic's skeptic"? Is it because he was skeptical of skeptics? When you say that someone is a "man's man", it is a man that other men admore or would like to be like. A "songwriter's songwriter" is a songwriter that other songwriters like. That sense doesn't seem to apply here. Bubba73 (talk) 04:32, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

The "skeptic's skeptic" label is actually a quote from the obituary Paul Kurtz wrote for Truzzi. The person who wrote that section of the article was, as you correctly pointed out, wrong in calling him "a skeptic's skeptic" because Kurtz referred to him not as such, but instead as "the skeptic's skeptic," a descriptive phrase possessed of connotations entirely different. Batman Jr. 08:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quote source?

Does anyone have a source for ""They tend to block honest inquiry, in my opinion. Most of them are not agnostic toward claims of the paranormal; they are out to knock them. [...] When an experiment of the paranormal meets their requirements, then they move the goal posts. Then, if the experiment is reputable, they say it's a mere anomaly."? The quote is under discussion at the CSICOP article's talk page, and we'd like to source it if possible. Thanks. Mike Christie 00:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that there are some statements at least similar to that in his book The Blue Sense: Psychic Detectives and Crime, which I have. It would probably be difficult to find though. Bubba73 (talk), 00:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I spent a few minutes using the index to see where it might be, and I didn't locate it. Bubba73 (talk), 01:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)