Talk:Marshall Amplification

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[edit] Amplifier Series

Hey guys,

I just started a section on the JCM 2000 series of amplifiers. It would be good if everybody could contribute by chooseing an amplifer series and making a section out of it. I believe that this will make the "Marshall amplifer" article in general more comprehensive

Salvorix 04:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marshall Stack

It's well known that Yngwie does actually use as many as 31 full stacks. I'd agree that most bands do use dummy cabinets but Yngwie isn't the sort of person to do things by half. Paul Tew 03:58, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I've actually seen a wall of fake stacks being unloaded outside the Astoria (just the fronts) but I can't for the life of me remember the band.

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Yeah, I'd really like to see a picture of stacks that made Marshall very distinctive.

I wonder where the factory is? some town in england?

It's in Milton Keynes.

It's actually in Bletchley which is next to Milton Keynes. I'm not sure whether it is mentioned in the article but Marshall sponsor the MK Dons football team. Paul Tew 10:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Bletchley is part of Milton Keynes, not next to it. And yes the shirt sponsorship is mentioned in Trivia. --Concrete Cowboy 12:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV, errors and etc comments

There is much POV-ness, coupled with some awkward phrasing in the article.

Specifically, the mention of much demand for cutting edge and vintage amplifiers. I'd say demand for innovation from Marshall is on the wane, at best. This can be corellated with the general public distaste for the Mode Four, while the Handwired series is garnering tons of praise (and probably selling relatively well). Not to mention the dozen or so smaller companies all vying for the crown of best copy of a Plexi/JTM45/18watt etc etc.

Also, I take issue with the Bluesbreaker being considered Marshall's most famous amplifier- I'd say the Plexi-era stack has far surpassed the Bluesbreaker in visibility to the general public. And surely, sales of JCM-800/900s have far outstripped probably everything they shipped in the entirety of the 1960s.

The circuitry certainly changed from Plexi -> Aluminum. From Marshalls press release for the Handwired amps:

"The so-called 'Plexi' era (late 1965 to July 1969) was named because of the Plexiglas material used on the model 1959's front panel. It ended when the company changed its front panel material from Plexiglas to brushed aluminum. During this relatively short period, many small but often significant circuit changes were made and the majority of them were in response to artists continually asking for the amps to be more aggressive sounding. After exhaustive research tracking the exact timeline of these changes and also finding many untouched examples of them, a pre-July 1969 SL/A head was chosen as being 'the one' to duplicate."

I don't know if it was a weird joke, but Dudley Moore worked for Marshall? I'd love to see a citation for this, as it would be news to me.

The history is a little skewed, there were master volume JMP models prior to the JCMs in the very late 70s. Slash, for instance, played an 800, and had a signature model- but the article implies he played a plexi-era amp. In fact, JCM-800s are every bit, if not more relevant than the current JCM-2000 series. I realize the model sections are a work in progress, just wanted to point that out. It's notable that Marshall actually reissued the JCM-800 amps some 15 years after discontinuing them. If that's not testament to their rapid quasi-vintage appeal I don't know what is.

The paragraph about Valvestate amps is criminally POV-ed, and reads like an advertisement. Yeah, no doy a single 12ax7 can last for years- nothing 'revolutionary' about a tube gain stage coupled to a solid state power amp- such designs have been around since at least the mid 70s. Frankly, the AVT amps are pretty much the exclusive domain of beginners and kids, and have a very poor reputation among professional players. I dont think the section should be wiped out, but really rephrased and elaborated on only in proportion with their more notable products.

Thought I'd solicit some feedback before going ahead and editing.

Tremspeed 23:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd say be WP:BOLD and edit away. Anything that seems like an advert and isn't sourced can go, as far as I'm concerned. This article could really use a once-over by a neutral, knowledgable person. Let me know if you need any help finding citations. --Aguerriero (talk) 00:02, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. It's a big rewrite though. Thanks for the offer. Tremspeed 03:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I will have time to help after this week. I will start searching for some reference material for Marshall amps and we'll see if we can get a great article out of this! --Aguerriero (talk) 16:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Let me know if you guys need an extra pair of hands. MightyMoose22 ^{>Abort, Retry, Fail?_} 00:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)