Talk:Matrix digital rain

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this is not meant to be source code, it is code as in ciphered data. it cannot be compiled into machine code, hence not source code

Contents 1 (more) bad usage 2 Ghost in the Machine 3 ... and Graphic Design 4 http://www.cyberdogs.net 5 Strange with my laptop crash. 6 Advert for Brinks home security 7 Screensaver 8 Code inspired by the Korean Language

[edit] (more) bad usage

“Several imitations were made, but to no avail.” This suggests that the creators were attempting to achieve a goal (from context, getting the W. brothers to release the original font), which doesn’t seem right. -Ahruman 10:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ghost in the Machine

I'd thought the code was one of the many homages in the Matrix to the anime Ghost in the Shell? Journeyman 02:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Indeed. As an aside I've deleted some superfluous "citation needed"s from the area where this is discussed; in regard to the digital rain referencing Ghost in the Shell and/or Alien, all one needs to do is actually watch the movie and make a comparison. The GitS one is pretty obvious within 2 seconds of viewing the opening credits.

[edit] ... and Graphic Design

User:Pictureuploader says that: (rv. The 'rain' indeed has been an element of inspiration in design and logos, at least in Greece)

Are you really proposing that every single inspiration for a piece of design should fall under the Graphic Design category? That heraldry is graphic design? And also photomontage, and collage, and cubist painting, and the entire Arts and Crafts movement, and noir film, and botanical form, and ticket stubs, and hand-painted signage, and skyscrapers? I could go on for hours. If digital rain counts as graphic design because it's inspired graphic design, what on Earth doesn't count? Chelt 13:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but the MDR, is actually a currect trend in graphic design. However that's ok.. it belongs already in subcats of graphic design cat —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pictureuploader (talk • contribs) .

I don't think this is finished. Seen from the surface, the "graphic design" category was fare more comprehensible than the "logos" category, because it is not a logo. It is a graphical effect, used in a film. Maybe the first category was better, or maybe it should just be left out. — Mütze 10:51, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

First, we haven't addressed my original question: if this counts as graphic design, what doesn't count? Photomontage, collage, cubism, and film lighting continue to exert far greater influence on graphic design practice. If Matrix digital rain is a trend, it's not a trend internationally.

Second, the graphic design category seems to be a place for articles about graphic design. Except for Matrix digital rain, it is not a compendium of pieces of graphic design. I suggest that if MDR needs to be related to GD, it would best belong under a list of examples of graphic design.Chelt 19:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Seems reasonable enough. I'll remove the category again, feel free to create a new one. — Mütze 21:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] http://www.cyberdogs.net

I'd like to know why a reference to that site (it contains a flash intro obviously inspired by the Code was removed as spam. Pictureuploader 08:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Non-notability? — Mütze 12:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

So what? It was there to indicate how the Code appears in several media as a graphic-design trend. It's not there to advertise the site. Pictureuploader 12:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I did not remove the link, but I can certainly see how it does not belong there. Everything else in that section is notable enough to have an own Wikipedia article and hundreds of thousands of Google hits to back up their relevancy under the heading “In pop culture”. They show how the digital rain effect has had a profound impact on mainstream graphical design. CaberDogs is nothing more than a very underground Cyberpunk site with a shop and 700 Google hits to back up its relevancy. The website I made a year ago for our class's graduation has ten times as many hits and it most certainly is not notable enough for any mention anywhere on Wikipedia, even if I had used incredibly clever tricks. Wikipedia guidelines require some mainstream or at least subculture significance for the inclusion of any subject, and this clearly is not the case here. All this supports the view of the link being nothing more than irrelevant at best and advertising/spam at worst.

Your commitment is commentable, but I fear it is misplaced in this case. If you wish to make a notable contribution to this article, help clean it up. Trivia lists are all over Wikipedia and they are a testament of very poor style. The list can be dissolved into the two sections above it, one explaining the digital rain's origins, the other describing how it has affected popular culture. This would look far better in a coherent text than in that awful list. If you have the time to clean that up, your contribution would be greatly valued. — Mütze 12:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I still think there are not enough references to prove the Code's influence on pop culture design. If you can find more instances, you can cleanup the less notable ones, but right now, you can tolerate exceptions to indicate the claim in question (per WP:IAR). Pictureuploader 08:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

If there are not enough references, maybe there are not enough references. The point of the article is not to prove the influence of the phenomenon by any means necessary, but to report on it to the extent to which it is observable. If you are running out of mainstream examples to do that and have to “resort” to linking to underground cyberpunk shops as insignificant as this one, the point you are trying to make is probably false. I am not saying that there are not enough mainstream examples to sufficiently make the point, but subtituting insignificant links for real references is indicative of a very POV attitude and ultimately self-defeating to the argument. — Mütze 16:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

But who is to say what is insignificant? Google hits? Isn't the fact that it is a cyberpunk thing (and cyberpunk is supposed to be underground) relevant enough? IF I could screencap TV advertisements from my country's TV I would upload them, or are they also insignificant? If you make such distinctions then we can't see the phenomenon as observable as it is. Pictureuploader 06:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strange with my laptop crash.

I'm not sure why, but sometimes, when my laptop would crash, it would go to a blank screen with a couple of characters resembling the matrix rain, but red rather than green. Anyone know what this is?--Vercalos 02:58, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, a crashed computer might well have dropped back into the basic VGA text mode display - and the basic VGA character display does contain a lot of unusual non-ASCII characters, many of which are Japanese katekana which features a lot in the digital rain sequences. So this isn't at all surprising or indicative of anything terribly meaningful. A few bytes of random garbage sent to the display while the machine was trying to display the Blue Screen of Death but was too screwed up to do even that, is all very possible. But if you should find guys in snappy black suits looking at you oddly - you might want to start looking for white rabbits. SteveBaker 05:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Advert for Brinks home security

Did anyone else notice the effect that they used in the Brinks home security advert on US television? It uses a horizontal version of digital rain - but with 1's and 0's instead of the usual wild set of characters - I think they made the text pale blue. But it wraps around 3D objects in just the way that Neo does towards the end of "The Matrix". Dunno if it's worth mentioning in the article - but it's clearly a reference to the same idea. SteveBaker 05:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Screensaver

Hey Guys there exists a much cooler screensaver made by a guy name burning_thornbush. I have it at my computer but i'm unable to upload it. Maybe we should write this down anywhere 84.150.77.101 16:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC) (german guy ;D)

[edit] Code inspired by the Korean Language

Although the matrix rain does look like an asian language, it does not seem to resemble Korean at all. It seems more closely related to kanji. Also, your reference for this is not cited. I think that it should be changed to resembling Japanese. Either that, or it should be cited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.177.11.143 (talk) 07:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC).