User talk:Mathiastck

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Contents 1 Welcome 2 Welcome 3 Multiple accounts 4 mplayer 5 re: "christos experiment" 6 Multiplayer Mobile games 7 Smashboards article 8 What not do on wikipedia 9 I will now relink all my blogs together 10 Feature phone 11 CSD G8 12 NationStates 13 Help needed on stopping vandals 14 Assume wikipedians are drunk 15 Unitarian Jihad 16 Template moved 17 Redline 18 Future_article_talk_page got deleted 19 Crossposting 20 Talk pages 21 Categories

[edit] Welcome

I have thus created my talk page. I added Mplayer.com to the page request page, and I'll try working on it myself. Perhaps as a subpage.

EDIT: Well someone else made the article for me, it looks great. Mathiastck 21:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Hi Mathiastck, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for joining the coolest online encyclopedia I know of. I hope you stick around. You'll probably find it easiest to start with a tutorial of how the wikipedia works, and you can test stuff for yourself in the sandbox. Check out the simplified ruleset. When you're contributing, you'll probably find the manual of style to be helpful, and you'll also want to remember a couple important guidelines.

1. Write from a neutral point of view
2. Be bold in editing pages
3. Use wikiquette.

Those are probably the most important ones, and you can take a look at some others at the policies and guidelines page. You might also be interested in how to write a great article and possibly adding some images to your articles.

Be sure to get involved in the community – you can contact me on my talk page if you have any questions, and you can check out the village pump, where lots of wikipedians hang out and discuss things. If you're looking for something to do, check out the community portal. And whenever you ask a question or post something on a talk page, be sure to sign your name by typing 4 tildes like ~~~~. Always sign the talk page, never the articles.

Again, welcome! It's great to have you. Happy editing!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 10:00, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I appreciate the welcome :)

An appreciated welcome should be tempered by conformance to the Galic standard. A "Wikisession" is instead a Wiisession on Wi_ipedia, etc. Than_s! 129.2.175.110 03:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Huh? Mathiastck 16:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Multiple accounts

I saw you editing Everything2's user page. If it is an alternative account of yours, it would be best to tell that creating alternative accounts is frowned upon in Wikipedia.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 10:12, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I was unaware! Well scratch that idea. Thanks. -MathiasTCK 12:00 November 14th 2005

Actually, I just read your link, and now I am less sure. I created the Everything2 account with the goal of using it to experiment with the idea of taking content from Everything2 and putting it on wikipedia, or vice versa. Anything I added to wikipedia from Everything2 I planned to add as subpages of the Everything2 user. That seems to me to qualify as a legitimate use for an additional account. Correct me if I'm wrong? -MathiasTCK 12:05 November 14th 2005

I didn't accuse you of sockpuppeteering. Now that I know the reason behind it, I agree that it is a legitimate use, though maybe you could have done the same with one account.--Shreshth91 14:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't think motivated enough to use the Everything2 account. Everyone should feel free to edit it's user pages. Mathiastck 16:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Rereading this conversation you did imply I might have been socketpuppeting right? Mathiastck 18:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] mplayer

Hello! I created the page for MPlayer.com. Tell me what you think, or if you have any suggestions. Thanks! --Chroniclev 21:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

No, thank you! Mathiastck 16:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: "christos experiment"

Hello. I agreed with your talk comments on Talk:Christos_experiment, just drawing your attention to it. Snickersnee 08:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi again! Looks like we won, mostly Christos_experiment. Yay. Snickersnee 04:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm basically a do nothing wikipedian. I participate a lot on talk pages, but edit and create few articles :) Mathiastck 14:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Multiplayer Mobile games

I am the editor for the article Multiplayer Mobile games and you have added a discription saying there are too many advertisements. let me know which one did you mean; the links to other wikipedia articles or the single link to a website. I am afraid somebody will delete it for such reason. plz give me some advice on what all should I do to keep my article there.

It's cool tell you what. I'll edit it myself, and we can discuss the edits? There is not such thing as the editor on a wikipedia article :) Just an editor. Mathiastck 06:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead. Keep in mind you could have avoided this if you used {{inuse}}. (|-- UlTiMuS ^{( U • T • C | M • E )} 20:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I am currently embroiled in difficult email discussion with various academics who are also members of enigma. They believe wikipedia isn't citable. As this just proved, I'm not an experienced editor :) Mathiastck 20:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

In any case, I'm still waiting to see this notability you speak of. If the article isn't made to state why Enigma is worth mentioning, then it will nonetheless be deleted for lack of notability. (|-- UlTiMuS ^{( U • T • C | M • E )} 20:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Hold your horses! It's in the talk page currently. I just sent an email to the club, asking for help. Seriously these people have had a big impact on sci fi. They are the biggest sci fi organization in Los Angeles. Mathiastck 20:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok well, I have to get back to my day job in a moment. I'm no longer making major edits. I expect other people will flesh it out. Give them a couple hours or so, then have your way with it :) (I forgot to date this yesterday Mathiastck 18:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)_

[edit] Smashboards article

I was the one who put it up for deletion. I am a huge Smash Brothers fan, however that is possibly the worse article ever written. It almost entirly copied the SSBM article. You can rewrite it properly if you want. =) Valoem ^talk 19:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah ok. As long as it's not getting deleted for not being notable. I don't do much wiki editing at work, but I may get to it at home. Mathiastck 20:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What not do on wikipedia

I don't want to be excused of attempting a breaching experiment. But I'm also very lazy, and proper wiki editing is a lot of work. So whenever I go to an article that doesn't exist, and I think it should... I try to request someone create it.

But the current system for requesting articles is awful. So instead I just post something on the talk page of the non existant article. Is this kosher? Mathiastck 17:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I will now relink all my blogs together

Main personal blog: http://mathiastck.livejournal.com/

My favorite blog: http://discorapolitic.livejournal.com/

My favorite place to blog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mathiastck

This blog: http://mathiastck.blogspot.com/

My professional blog (I work at MySpace) http://www.myspace.com/mathiasbyproxy

My favorite fictional nation: http://www.nationstates.net/discoraversalism

Mathiastck 23:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Feature phone

Just to let you know, the proper way to add a stub is to the bottom of an article, not at the top. I know, it's wierd, but that's the convention. (|-- UlTiMuS 21:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks bunches :) I'm a long time talk page lurker, but I only started adding content a little bit on weekends :) I'll take all the advice you have time to give. Mathiastck 21:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CSD G8

Please stop from creating talk pages for non-existant articles. Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion G8 policy states that talk pages without articles can be deleted. As such I am listing all the talk pages without articles that you created for speedy deletion. For future reference please consider 1) making the article yourself or 2) request that it be created. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 00:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Woot! I've asked on about 7 pages about that policy, everyone has said go ahead and do it. I was sure someone would object but no one did :) Where can I go to discuss it? What page would be the right page to discuss that policy?

I create those articles at work, I don't have the option of devoting enough time to wikipedia to create articles there. The request process as it exists currently is a mess. I used to use it a great deal, but it's one of the least useful parts of wikipedia. I'm happy to do anything but use the requested articles process. How about stubs? What's your opinion on those? Mathiastck 13:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Looking at WP:CSD_G8 it says "Talk pages of pages that do not exist, unless they contain deletion discussion that isn't logged elsewhere or notes that would help in creating an article. User_talk pages are exempt from this. Subpages (including archive pages) are only deletable under this rule if the corresponding top-level page does not exist." I believe I have left a very helpful link on every talk page I have created (when the article did not exist). Mathiastck 18:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

In the future, I think I will use a talk page template like this: User:BigNate37/TM/Future article talk page Mathiastck 20:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, since you and I have been involved in the same material as a result of this CSD G8 vs. requested pages stuff, I've noticed most of your talk page edits are marked as minor. You don't need to do this; minor edits are typically reserved for spelling mistakes, etc. and if you are actually adding to a discussion, you can definately call it a "non-minor" edit. Anyways, talk pages are no serious affair, so don't sweat that too much. BigNate37_(T) 18:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate wiki advice :) I'll stop defaulting to minor I think. Mathiastck

[edit] NationStates

Ah, you play NationStates. That's cool, I used to too. Say, did you know that your derived term "discoraversalism" is sort of confusing? Instead of discovery and universalism, I thought about disco and ravers... a disco-rave would be a pretty scary thing, and a people founded on the principles of disco-raversalism would probably constitute a crazy, backwards, upside-down, hamburgers-eat-people sort of society. Anyways, its cool to see NationStates is still out there and still has its following. BigNate37_(T) 21:58, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

It's really confusing :) I made lots of enemies on nation states, they assume I'm a fan of Disco :) But I provide lots of links so anyone curious can quickly find out I promoting Discordian Universalism :) I've been fighting the copyright legislation on the NSUN tooth and nail. Mathiastck 22:08, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

It never occurred to me but you are utterly right! Disco raver salism! I keep citing wikipedia to back up arguments I make in debates in NS, many of them hattttttttte wikipedia. There should be a wikipedia article just for good responses to common arguments about why wikipedia sucks. Mathiastck 22:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Write it in your usersubspace and put it in Category:Wikipedia essays. If you flaunt it on a few talk pages, other people may even begin to reference it. BigNate37_(T) 22:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

That is a good idea :) I will do that, eventually. I have a large laundry list of similar things to do eventually though. I have other essays ahead of it in the queue. I will start saving my pro wiki arguments though. Mathiastck 23:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Hah, check out WP:RCO. Just found it. BigNate37_(T) 16:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Woot! It had to exist! Wikipedia has more knowledge then you can shake a stick at. The problem is finding it :) Seriously, we need better search. I use answers.com typically to get to wikipedia, just cuz it has good search. Mathiastck 16:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I sent a message to you on discorapolitic - maybe this is better

a liberal, atheistic, board game geek - a man after my own heart

I am at UIEvolution (as you probably guessed), but I am not working on the myspace project perhaps we will be working together at some indefinite point in the future

Rock on, which discorapolitic? My main "discorapolitic" site is at: http://community.livejournal.com/discorapolitic/ . I'm betting you were replying to this? User_talk:Robbiesmith Mathiastck 19:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help needed on stopping vandals

Hi, Mathiastck. Someone from this IP (59.144.1.150) is missbehaving in the pages I edit and in the corporate information page of my company. I would like to avoid this ip from editing my pages or I doubt if he is a competitor. So what should I do now. Can you help me in this, please.

I don't really follow. Were they a logged in user? What pages? Need more info! Mathiastck 17:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

See the smackall page. Somebody from this ip removed the website url and made it as broken link. And they are following me doing some irrelevent stuff. codetiger 04:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I think I can take care now. That person is my competitor who wants to put down the traffic to my site and this page smackall. So he often removes the links to my pages. And he often removes some kind useful stuff. codetiger 04:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

So the proper procedure is to lodge the complaint first on the talk page. You may be certain he's a vandal, but we still assume good faith, and just ask him kindly to stop doing on the talk page. This also makes it easier for others to support you. If it goes on long enough that IP develops a reputation as a known vandal, I think. Mathiastck 19:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, You are right. I posted a kind request on his talk page. And there are already two such posts by some other users. And still I am waiting if he does it again another time. codetiger 07:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool Mathiastck 17:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Assume wikipedians are drunk

Seriously. Put up the with the fact that you have to tell them over and over aggain. The Association Of Intoxicated wikipedians needs better presentation!

Dude, what were we just talking about! Mathiastck 17:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unitarian Jihad

Thought you might like to know this article has been nominated for deletion. If you like it (you liked it well enough to comment on the Talk page...), you might want to click over to the link and suggest reasons why it should not be deleted.
Septegram 21:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

There seems to be strong support for it's deletion. I can handle it being merged into the UUA article. I've improved the article itself some, but it needs more listing of current events. I'm an Inclusionist and I support the meme, so I'm certainly in favor of keeping the article :) Mathiastck 15:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template moved

Please take not of the template move ({{Future article talk page}}), see Template talk:Future article talk page. BigNate37_(T) 22:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Nate :) Still loving the template. Seriously creating talk pages for future articles is my fav thing to do here :) Mathiastck 18:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Drat! What happened to the template? Mathiastck 15:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redline

I used to go under the names Xanarki, Anarki, Zommer, X and others. My old fan site got so useless, I decided to take it down. I tried contacting both Atari and Beyond Games/SBI about a sequel or a download of something, but it's the same answer: "we got nothin" Xanarki 00:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I think they made a pen/paper/dice for Redline as well. (I went by MathiasTCK on MPlayer, was playing the demo even before it got released. Mathiastck 01:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Future_article_talk_page got deleted

I don't understand why articles are put through a deletion process without any attempt to discuss whether to delete the article in it's talk page. I'm now looking for an appropriate place to discuss the deletion of this specific talk page, and it's article. Here are the places I've found so far:

Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G8:_Talk_pages User_talk:Mathiastck#Template_moved User_talk:RyanGerbil10#Deletion_of_Template:Future_article_talk_page Template_talk:Futureart User_talk:BigNate37/TM/Future_article_talk_page Template_talk:Db-talk User_talk:Nae'blis#Template:Future_article_talk_page

As well as some meta pages on related issues.

Mathiastck 15:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I think what you'll want to do in the future, since that template was deleted, is draft articles in your userspace at User:Mathiastck/futurearticlename for example. If you want to propose something for other people to work on that you can't do yourself, there's Wikipedia:Requested articles. -- nae'blis 17:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I was hoping for help understanding on what grounds it got deleted the first time :) I don't expect any version I draft will fare any better otherwise. Mathiastck 22:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. In reply to your queries at my talkpage and then template's talkpage, the TfD (Templates for Deletion) discussion (Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 January 19#Template:Future article talk page and User:BigNate37.2FTM.2FFuture article talk page and Template:Futureart was where it should have been discussed. I wasn't 'threatening' to delete the talkpage! I was pointing out as a courtesy, that the page would shortly be deleted (by someone or other) because it's a re-creation of a deleted location (CSD G4), and a talkpage without an associated article (orphaned, CSD G8).

The place to discuss its deletion, if you feel it wasn't given a fair hearing, is Wikipedia:Deletion review. However, it's very unlikely to be undeleted, as Wikipedia simply doesn't have a tradition of having talkpages without associated article-content. Instead, we're meant to add a new item to the Wikipedia:Requested articles pages. This is probably (I'm hypothesizing/extrapolating) to keep things centralised, and to prevent spam/vandalism at talkpages that aren't as heavily watchlisted as articles might be. If talkpages without articles could be made, we'd almost certainly end up with literally millions of orphan-talkpages, with editors claiming that "I need the notes here, and am working on the article, and it'll be notable when I'm done, honest!" type thing; a huge potential for abuse.

Like I said, I'm on your side! I kinda liked the idea, as months ago I had placed a few notes at Talk:Jurgen Gothe, which subsequently got deleted (and ditto for a few other talkpages I'd left notes at). But I agree with not ignoring the 'approved process', as there are almost always darn good reasons for them, so in the future I'll leave notes at the Wikipedia:Requested articles pages, or make user-subpages to keep notes/drafts on.

Hope that answers everything, if not ask away :) (replies here are fine)--Quiddity 18:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Quidity, I really, really appreciate the response :) I'm rereading G8 now at Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion, and it does clearly state: "Talk pages of pages that do not exist, unless they contain deletion discussion that isn't logged elsewhere. Subpages (including archive pages) are only deletable under this rule if the corresponding top-level page does not exist. Exceptions to this are user talk pages and talk pages of images on Commons." I recall it being worded, and interpreted very differently last time I checked. I'm betting that Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion is where I should go to participate in discussing the merits of talk pages designed to assist others in the creation of new articles :) Thanks! Mathiastck 23:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Either there, or one of the Village pumps, but admins will be watching the CSD talk page, so should be able to assist. Good luck :)

(I'll leave Template talk:Future article talk page alone till it pops up on my watchlist again :) --Quiddity 00:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again quid. I'll start investigating the Village pump. I've never been there before. Mathiastck 02:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crossposting

http://community.livejournal.com/discorapolitic/17295.html

The wikipedia policy on talk pages is my current pet project, so I'm gonna crosspost here what I'm blogging about:

Future_article_talk_page_got_deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mathiastck#Future_article_talk_page_got_deleted

I need help. I used to participate a lot on wikipedia. Someone made a template designed to be used on talk pages. That template got deleted.

The premise was, if you are trying to create an article, you create the talk page first, and set this template. It describes the process I'm describing here, your goals, methods etc.

This is a gray area of wiki policy. The problem is, talk pages are less patrolled, so can be more easily spammed.

I promote this method anyway, because if this template is used, it's easy to mass delete every page using it. Which is what happened :)

Since it is that easy to do... it's clearly not that big a problem.

The problem it solves is there is a big barrier to entry in creating a new wikipedia page. If you do it wrong the page gets deleted, and there is a big barrier to recreating a deleted page, (many recreated pages are deleted automatically).

Anyway if you use wikipedia, I need your help. Forgot to sign: Mathiastck 17:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk pages

You wrote I'd love to talk with you about talk pages, their role, purpose and limitations some time

Sure. Let me start by saying that I think user talk pages have completely different purposes than article and other talk pages, a distinction that isn't well enough laid out in Wikipedia policy. I'd guess you're interested in article talk pages; what's on your mind? -- John Broughton (☎☎) 15:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I am most curious in the attitudes and policies of active wikipedians towards article talk pages. For what different, major reasons do we delete article talk pages? I've been examining the policies as thoroughly as I can, but I don't really see the rational behind the policies. I can see deleting talk pages if they are being abused, but I haven't found that to a significant problem in my experience. Am I just not seeing it happen? Mathiastck 15:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Article talk pages are never deleted unless the accompanying article is deleted; then they are, always - I think that's the policy, though I could be wrong. By "deleted", I mean the article is totally removed, not moved or a redirect put in place.

I'm not sure how admins handle talk pages when they put in a redirect at the article rather than totally removing it; I suppose this depends on whether they think the talk page is constructive or not, and (perhaps) on whatever semi-automated software they use (which may suggest or make it easy to kill both pages simultaneously.)

As for "abuse" of talk pages, while in theory the abusive comments on a talk page could be removed, my experience is that this is rarely done (and I'd argue it probably should be done more). The exception is clear libel or exposure of personal information: see Wikipedia:Requests for oversight, where admins go in and delete (technically, hide from regular users) every version of a page that have the problem information on them. But even then, the talk page remains, showing the most recent version that doesn't contain the offending information.

Finally, to some extent the attitude of regular Wikipedians to article talk pages is irrelevant when it comes to deletions - only an admin can delete a page (of any kind), and I know of no noticeboard or other forum where users can make a request that a talk page be deleted in its entirety.

If you know of counter-examples to what I've said, I'd certainly be interested. -- John Broughton (☎☎) 18:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Aren't there a few different processes whereby things can be deleted? Mathiastck 23:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you think we should always delete the talk page if we delete the article? Do you think there are acceptable reasons and uses for talk pages created before an article? Mathiastck 23:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

There are three different processes for deleting articles: speedy, prod (5 day automatic if not objected to), and AfD.

Generally an article is deleted because notability has failed to be established - that is, a decision has been made that the subject isn't expected ever (well, within a reasonable amount of time - see WP:NOT - WP is not a crystal ball) to be notable. Given that decision, it doesn't make sense to keep a talk page around.

Interesting. A lot of the pages I've tried to create have been technical terms. I think they were judged notable because the admins hadn't yet heard of them :) Mathiastck 15:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

As for your last question, see Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines#Setting up a talk page for a future but not yet created article?. -- John Broughton (☎☎) 01:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

I have removed your userpage from several article categories. These categories are for organizing articles only. — Swpb ^{talk contribs} 16:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Categorization#User namespace. — Swpb ^{talk contribs} 23:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool deal thanks! I am reminded that my user page here is treated like an encyclopedia entry. Funny how kids are changing web forums these days. Mathiastck 23:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)