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[edit] Please stop moving around External Links
MickieJames.com is her official website, for all intents and purposes. Please leave it where it was. Thank you.
[edit] Nude Modeling
I don't know if it's true or not, but does anyone have any info on how Mickie James was a nude model prior to joining WWE? The reason I ask is because a friend of mine sent me a link that has a bunch of nude pics of her. OutRider2003 12:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
As I keep adding, but for some reason, people keep removing: In late 1999 or early 2000, Mickie posed nude for photographer R.B. Kane. One set of these photos was featured in the May 2000 issue of Leg Show magazine and the others were featured on RB's website. --CJ 08:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
yes she did pose nude. I have seen the pics it was for R.B. Cane but i am not sure what magizene they were in.--JayDub 23:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proof she posed nude
Since some people with nothing better to do, keep deleting the info about Mickie posing nude for Leg World, proof is located here: [1] --CJ 07:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Since others have disputed my previous proof (on an anonymous user's page of all places...), here is additional proof Mickie posed nude: click on the first thumbnail of the second row here [2] --CJ 08:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
It has been confirmed before that the girl in these pictures is not actually Mickey James but a girl who looks a lot like her, I am not sure if you guys hate Mickie James or if its something else but if that was really mickey james whe wouldn't have became a WWE superstar because the WWE had to fire a diva just because she was a striper for a magzine so you people can stop trying to ruin her reputation and on top of all that this site shouldn't contain any kind of nudity or links that contain nudity since many kids view it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Killeronly001 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC).
Amen! I love Mickie!!! Nice pics. Thanks Emilos 17:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)emilos
Whether it's really Mickie in those pictures or not is besides the point. The source used to verify the statement isn't reliable for a few reasons. Mainly, the pictures are a primary source of information, and require the editor/reader to interpret it and draw conclusions. There are too many questions that are left unanswered by the pictures, one of which has been illustrated on this talk page. Are the pictures real (not photoshopped)? Is it really her in the photos? Did she actually pose for those photos with the intent they be published in a magazine? Were these photos really featured in the May 2000 issue of Leg Show?
The editor/reader shouldn't have to draw their own conclusions from a source. Just handing someone a set of pictures and saying "you figure it out" won't cut it. The photos are a primary source of information which are used to support statements which can easily be qualified as original research. Due to the nature of the primary source, there needs to be a secondary source to interpret the photos and draw the conclusions. You can see WP:NOR for more. Either way, the pictures don't cut it as a source. Find a secondary source explaining the pictures instead. Ibm2431 07:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
For the record, I completely disagree with your rationale, but I'm not going to change it back again-- atleast not right away. It seems that a certain percentage of Mickie fans for whatever reason, have a hard time dealing with her past as a nude model, that's all I'll say for now. --CJ 09:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- To be honest, I'm not really a wrestling fan. I just stumbled across this page.. some way or another. We all know how it goes. XD Anyway, it's not that I have a hard time dealing with it, I'm just trying to impliment what I feel is the correct interpretation of WP:NOR. I left my rationale here so that we could all discuss and talk about it - what talk pages are for. ^^
- However, if you're adamant on including it, I won't stop you. Just be prepared to back up your reasoning when another editor comes along and questions it. Cheers. Ibm2431 02:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
It is most likely Mickie because Jerry Lawler has made subtle references to these pictures on RAW. HorseApples 06:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll just throw this out.... is it really necessary to have a link to an article with nude photos? Mshake3 03:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I think it is wrong and I think we should update the privacy policy or something. Govvy 11:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I thought we were over this already, I already said nobody is sure that the girl who is posing nude is Mickey James, and there was no proof that its really her, I kept editing the article and somebody puts it back, and for some reason I was blocked from editing this page. Even if it was mickie james there are some information that is non of our business, if she wants to keep it private then let her keep it private, and i am gonna say it again we shouldn't have a link that shows nude photos since many younger kids might view this page. So can anybody erase the part where it says she posed nude and erase the link that shows nude photos. User:65.190.215.92
I agree, that we shouldn't have the photo's I want them to stop adding a link to them as well. Govvy 21:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not respect the privacy of others unless it is deemed illegal to not do so. If she didn't want people to know that she posed nude, then she shouldn't have posed nude. Porn is a secret that no one can keep. Anyway, I am still against linking to the pictures just because it isn't a reliable source, and they are scans of the magazine, so it is in violation of copyright laws as Govvy pointed out on the talk page for WP:PW. -- The Hybrid 17:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Celtic jobber what do you want me to discuss about you say you are right regardless of my reason so until she says it or the photographer says its her then you have zero proof. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheEdge85 (talk • contribs).
TheEdge, in the magazine it clearly says it is her, we have reviewed the magazine and come to the conclusion that this is Mickie James. However, we don't link to those photo's because they are a breach of that Magazines copyright. There is no harm in quoting the mag know. Govvy 23:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Well Govvy im still not happy we have to say she posed nude but thank you for takeing that link off though i still hate we have to mention it
It is more than just a little bit notable that she posed nude. -- The Hybrid 03:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Must we continue to put the photogrspher's name when there is no link about him and why is there a direct link to leg show magazine.Neither of these two things are nessicary
The photographer isn't necessary, I agree, but the magazine is linked to as a source. Leave it, -- The Hybrid 01:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Why do we constantly need to post the pictures on the discussion section The whole point was to say she posed nude but not post the pictures. The discussion section is just as accesable and are a breach of copyright as well i think the links need to not appear on the discussion section either
Who ever posted the comment above needs to sign it. Also, for evidence it's okay to quote it in this section. I just don't like the massive removal of other peoples talk from IPs. Govvy 21:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
There is still no proof that she posed nude it wasn't official that the girl on these pictures is mickie james i don't care how much people argue about it nobody is 100% sure 18:02, 6 February 2007) Killeronly
We have investigated enough to know it is her and to me it's pretty clear proof! Govvy 19:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe that no one knows if it is her or not. I watch the WWE and the pictures dont resemble her entirely. 10:22, 30 March 2007 gameplaya
That is original research. The magazine says that it was her, so it was her. If it wasn't, then she would be allowed to sue them. -- The Hybrid 02:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I disagree because, as someone said before, WWE wouldn't have hired her if she posed nude. I also agree with another person who said before that whoever put the thumbnail there, they didn't make a good call because, little kids can easily be exposed to the pictures. 6:34, March 31 2007 gameplaya
Wikipedia is not censored for children. Now, we don't know the WWE's hiring policies. Defending your POV with OR will not win you the argument. The magazine says that it was her. If they had lied, then she could sue them. -- The Hybrid 22:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
OK. I now agree that it is Mickie James. gameplaya 7:23 31 March 2007
The Hybrid, what magizine said that the girl in the pictures is in fact Mickie James? 10:48 31 March 2007
Legshow, the one that she posed in. -- The Hybrid 02:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
We do know the WWE's policy, in fact, this isn't hold against a woman for posing nude before joining the WWE. For instance, Candice Michelle before signing to the WWE had on her CV she posed nude for Playboy. They even incorporated it into her theme. Govvy 14:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mick and Chick Kick
Why is the Mick Kick and the Chick Kick both on Mickie's move list? They're the same move. I'm removing the Chick Kick. --Killswitch Engage 04:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage
It's because she copied from Trish, who named her move the Chick Kick, and Mickie copied her and named
it the Mick Kick. She also copied Trish's Stratusfaction, though I don't know what she changed it to.
[edit] TNA miniskirt comment
I've removed the comment that says she wore miniskirts in all her matches because
A. what's the point? B. It's not true. In her mixed tag with Red she wore pants
[edit] WrestleMania 22
There's little mention about the real interesting story of 22 (as I saw it); that of the 'unusual' fan reaction towards James (mirrored in the main event when former favourite Cena was booed). As the article currently establishes, storylines had set James up to be a heel, with a collection of violent attacks, psychotic outbreaks and general stalker-esque tendancies towards fan-favourite Trish Stratus. They also teemed her up with the heels, Victoria and Michelle against the 'good girls.' But during the Mania match, the fans almost unanimously sided behind James, much to the evident surprise of ringside commentators. I've heard it suggested that this was a reaction to an introduction of any interesting character (and talented wrestler) into the women's area which has recently rolled along on little more than Wilson and Michelle's silicone, but whatever the reasons, I feel it deserves mention, especially since it seemed to be completely unanticipated by the WWE creative team. - Hayter 08:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sometimes fans just turn on a wrestler in a town. There's really no reason as to why. If this was more of a trend against Trish, then I would be inclined to probably go more into detail. OsFan 14:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I completely agree! (Fr3nZi3 18:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC))
I think the fans were just tired of Trish being champ and they wanted a new one
I think everyone saw how much better of a wrestler she was. Plus you gotta realize she became one of the most intriguing wrestlers in recent memory, men's or women's. It was a great storyline and even though I thought she was one of the best heels, I couldn't stop applauding her.
The sentiment Trish received was due to two things: 1. she held the belt for too long and hardly defended it and 2. Mickie's character was more of a tweener. She did alot of "messed up" stuff, but she was most certainly playing to the crowd. So there was a mix of sentiments in the crowd. Her character at the time, despite a little "psychotic" was one of the more popular characters at the time.
Who wouldn't cheer a lesbian?
[edit] Mickie engaged to kenny??
—When did Mickie and Kenny get engaged?And what proff is there that they did?I would really like to know:)205.188.116.12 16:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)Diana D.
Mickie's spoken about it a lot on her MySpace profile. --Steveweiser 20:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- She doesn't have a MySpace. 69.140.12.149 21:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
It is mentioned it in this article [3] from Mickie's hometown newspaper, in this quote: "Sandra Knuckles, a real estate agent, recently sold a house to James and her fiance, Ken Doane, also a WWE wrestler, in King William County." --CJ 08:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Mickie-D-T"
Can someone please provide some proof that indeed Mickie's Spinning DDT is called the Mickie-DT! Otherwise I don't think it belongs on here. I am going to put up a citation notice--please don't delete it without adding a citation! --Fr3nZi3 15:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Jim Ross has referred to her move many times over as the Mickie-DT, even though her WWE.com bio does not list the move. --Steveweiser 20:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
All fair and good! PROVE IT!!!! You can't just say that Jim Ross calls it that you have to show proof like what I did with Lita. --Fr3nZi3 15:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject: Louisville???
Why? Mickie James is from Richmond, Virginia...that's been very well documented. Someone please change that, please? If anything, she should be part of "Wikiproject: Richmond". ThePacMan 17:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- As a matter of decorum, only project members should be adding or removing their respective project tag. This should have been brought up in WPLouisville project talk before removal. Nevertheless, upon review, this removal appears to be acceptable. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Well WWE.com, under finishers for the Fantasy Mode, calls it a Modified DDT so maybe it should just be called that since the WWE recognizes it that way.
[edit] Mickie-DT II
She has another DDT that they call the Mickie-DT.It's like a jumping DDT,but she lifts up herself almost vertical instead of horizontal.Can somebody add it to her page?
[edit] Source for the Melina/Mickie off-screen dislike
Would someone mind using this as the source? Ringbabe.net doesn't have it anymore.
http://www.owow.com/frameindex.htm?goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.owow.com%2FRingsideWith%2FMelinaPerez%2FInterviews%2FInterview_10-15-05.htm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.140.12.149 (talk) 19:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC).
This comment by Melina has not been confirmed as her own words why is this always reposted since nobody aggres that melina posted this
It's probably a load of rubbish, just ignore it. Govvy 21:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Melina did say that and Melina and Mickie do share a mutual dislike of one another in real life. Well according to my knowledge. --Fr3nZi3 08:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Its a conspiracy propagated by Melina fans and in fact was never confirmed by anybody
Please sign your comments. I know the off-screen feud between the two is real, simply because I've heard about it so many times. I still can't find a reliable source though. The Unknowledgeable Genius 00:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nudity Issues
can someone please erase the information on her posing nude for Leg Show magazine? :( its disgusting
- Wikipedia is not censored, not even for pornography or profanity. That's official policy. Valley2city 04:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
We have censored it down as much as we can with-in WP guidelines. Govvy 10:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The link is unneeded. It doesn't link to pictures...it links to legshow.com. What does that prove? The info should simple state that she posed nude for Leg Show magazine. That way, if someone wants to go find the pictures they can. It's not about censoring; the issue is relevancy. Thoughts? Nikki311 01:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
What link are you talking about. I believe that there 3 links. gameplaya 7:54, 31 March 2007
[edit] Signature moves
I am against putting down generic moves down on the page as signature moves--like "flying forearm"--that is a universal wrestling move, which is equivalent of putting say: "hammerlock" as a signature move. Also universal roll ups, and counters shouldn't really be listed either. If Mickie uses a one handed cartwheel into a monkey flip--write monkey flip, because one handed cartwheels are generic reversals that everyone uses. --Fr3nZi3 19:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
