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[edit] Photo

just added a Photo and it's source, so I removed the 'this article should have a photo' bit. Black_Mesa (t | e | c)

[edit] fan club

The fan club keeps being removed. The site is together with the record label and is relevant to those who support Mika. Please stop removing it. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Itrends (talk • contribs).

It has also been discussed in detail below and deemed useful and relevant to have due to the press and dates etc it contains which the other sites do not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.195.160.59 (talk • contribs) 15:36, February 16, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] popular

Get ready it gonna be number1 in the UK. Expect a lot of visits to the page. 80.41.24.62 21:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'unique'?

How can the combination of artists listed be 'unique'? Haven't the Scissor Sisters been compared to each of the others?

[edit] gay

Who on earth put the bit saying he is openly gay? This is NOT the case at all, he has made no comments about this and the article that the link goes to only talks about the music and his history and wrongly states that he is gay. It does not quote him as saying so and he has made a point of not talking about it anywhere at any time as it simply doesn't matter. Someone please edit this and correct it as it is false information

He has publicly stated that he will not answer the "are you gay?" question; any claims are mere speculation (citation: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3553.html). Mrstonky 01:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Foreigner?!

I'm pretty sure that song "I Just Died (In Your Arms)" is by 'Cutting Crew', so I'm gonna change it :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.128.39.65 (talk) 01:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Gay?

Any chance of an answer this time rather than just deleting a legitimate question?

Omglolzpwned 16:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

If you want to ask pointless questions, why not go to a gossip site; this is the Talk page of an encyclopædia article, and is for talking about the article, not discussing its subject. Why you need to create a new account for every edit you make, incidentally, is mysterious. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

He's not gay but I got a phone call from him or his representative and he's not gay. He just doesn't want to say he's straight. Basically he wants publicity and milk it for its worth. Now if he came from Manchester aka Gay Nation then I'd believe it.74.195.3.199 18:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Please remember that Wikipedia is about facts not personal opinions (or, indeed, phone messages from ambiguous sources). Mrstonky 04:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I don't think "Manchester AKA Gay Nation is a fact, do you? Don'tClickHere^{chat / what i've done / email} 19:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It irritates me that someone reverted my edit when I removed the word "typical" from the "typical fag" quotation. What Mika said in the interview was, "I was called the typical fag and all those other homophobic, horrible little comments that kids throw at each other." Clearly he is not saying they called him a typical fag; he is saying they called him a fag, which is a typical insult that kids throw at one another. It's like if you were to say, "As we passed each other we mumbled the typical 'how are you?' and went our separate ways." "Typical" is being used here in precisely the same sense. Technically the original article should have read: "I was called the typical 'fag' and all those other homophobic, horrible little comments that kids throw at each other." Still, it should be obvious! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.36.72.70 (talk • contribs) 05:42, February 14, 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that's obvious at all. Since the comment is ambiguous, it should go in exactly as reported, in my opinion. ConDem^Talk 02:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's YOUR opinion.74.195.3.199 13:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Was there really any need for that last comment? It's clearly his opinion, seeing as he said it and put "in my opinion" at the end. It wouldn't have been so unnecessary if you'd have said your opinion too. Ian 20:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links

I'm glad to see that attempts to add a link to the blog have finally been dropped.
Links to fan pages are generally deprecated; what is this one supposed to add to an encyclopædia article? (I see that someone has said (at the top of this page for some reason) that the site is needed because it's important for people who support the artist; we're not a fan-club, but an encyclopædia).
As regards the site that needs a plug-in, see Wikipedia:External links#Rich media. As it's no more than an extended advert for the artist, it's difficult to see why it should constitute an exception. It's in any case linked to from the site for which there is still a link. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The reason is that there are MANY press releases and bits of additional information that are not available via the main site or indeed this wikipedia page. Rather than link to hundreds of forum threads and press releases it makes sense to send people there. Aside from the way it is organised (being that it is more like a forum) there is more information on that site than in this wiki article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.195.160.59 (talk • contribs).

I don't know who this is, and don't have time to muck about with page history, etc. The big question is: why does an encyclopædia article need to link to all the press releases put out by publicity people on behalf of a pop artist? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Generally articles on an artist provide links to their official sites. The "fan club" has up to date postings on things such as recent chart position, which isn't on the other two sites. As for choosing the MySpace page over the official homepage, both use but don't require flash (the menu degrades to an image map) and both are "adverts" for the artist. ed g2s • talk 13:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, if it doesn't require flash that's fine. The fan club site (why the inverted commas? that's what it calls itself) is still a problem; there's nothing to indicate that it's reliable, and it's unclear why a minor pop artist needs links to three promotional sites. As we're not in the business of ensuring that our readers get instantaneous news about pop-chart positions, what justifies its presence? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It's run by the record company and is a useful resource. Three links is hardly excessive. We may not be in the business of providing news, but we still put up WikiNews links. ed g2s • talk 16:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Fine — I think that you're wrong, but I don't have the energy to fight more teenybopper music fans. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Now ed g2s wants to edit-war over deleting part of my comment. Note that editing another editor's comments is strongly deprecated, amd can lead to an editing block, unless the comment involves an extreme personal attack (and even then it's not usually done). The claim that "teenybopper music fan" is highly offensive in Cambridge is peculiar, and to the best of my knowledge false. Don't confuse personal sensitivities with facts. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 12:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

It is generally considered offensive in the UK and according to our article. There's no need to be uncivil. "Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks will not help you make a point". ed g2s • talk 13:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

If you again change my comment, I shall ask another admin to look at the case and block you from editing if he or she agrees that you're unnecessarily editing another editor's comment. You might find my comment mildly uncivil, though I disagree; that's still not good grounds to edit my comment. Even aside from the fact that our article is misleading, it says that the term is mildly derogatory; applied to music, it may be, from some points of view, but to think that being called a fan of such music is sufficiently offensive to edit-war over is simply absurd. I suggest that you find something useful to do. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no need to make such comments at all. It is very uncivil, and used in a derogatory context. Furthermore, I am neither a teen, a 'teenybopper', a fan of 'teenyboppers' nor a fan of 'teenybopper music'. ed g2s • talk 14:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've asked other admins to look at this. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I request that you remove your incivil comments towards me, as this is not the place to air such views. ed g2s • talk 15:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Mel, I am dead serious, if you want any progress to be made, you're going to have to stop the personal comments about the contributors. They do not accomplish anything for the article, and they cause nothing but trouble. Even if you absolutely loathe certain people, you'll have to keep it to yourself. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker 17:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Mel's comment not only appears to be a deliberate put-down but also (to me) appears to indicate Mel thinks he is editing in an unbiased way to make wikipedia better in contrast to others who are editing based on trying to promote things they are fans of. It is more than an insult, it is an accusation of biased editing. Over whether or not a couple of external links are added or not. Sometimes I think Mel editing when he can't sleep is a wonderful thing for wikipedia. Sometimes I think he should take a break when he feels like "I don't have the energy" and come back when he feels better. Mel, can we continue to benefit from your wonderful contributions, but get a little less of this kind of thing? WAS 4.250 17:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I find both these comments peculiar, if only for their emotional burden ("absolutely loathe"?), messedrocker's implication that I make a habit of personally attacking editors, and Was 4.250's personal comments about me in the course of attacking me for making personal comments. And all for a non-derogatory phrase to which one user has taken extreme, and to my eyes inexplicable, exception (something on which at least one other editor agrees with me, as the edit history of the page indicates).

It's a pretty unshakeable part of Wikipedia etiquette that one doesn't delete other people's comments on a Talk page; this holds even in many cases where genuine and deep incivility has been committed. Perhaps Messedrocker and Was 4.250 might like to consider that aspect of this situation, if and when the pleasure of wagging their fingers at me wears off. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

There is Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks, which I believe ed_g2s was trying to invoke in good faith. The page points out that this is a controversial practice. Anyways, let's recognize that it was done with the best intentions and try to get back on task before this whole thing derails into pointless bickering. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker 20:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your last point, wholeheartedly. It might be worth ed_g2s' reading the essay (not policy or even guideline) Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks a little more carefully, though, as it contains a number of reasons for his not editing the comment in question. Still, it would be nice if we could all get back to real editing. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of whether or not personal attacks should be removed from other people's comments (I continue to believe they should be) - you really ought to take some time to reflect on whether you should be making such comments in the first place. I (and others here) seem to think not... ed g2s • talk 03:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

And I (and others) disagree. You might want to check the response to your posting to WP:AN/I for an apt description of the fuss that you're making here: a princess in search of a pea. That two people – one of whom, at least, is not an entirely disinterested party – are prepared to exclaim over the size of the nasty pea and remonstrate with me for placing it under your mattresses is no surprise at Wikipedia, but signifies nothing. This is all a ridiculous waste of time (if you really feel that the comment was so deeply hurtful, I'm surprised that you want to bring so many people's attention to it; if you'd ignored it, no-one would have noticed). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I only posted on WP:AN because you said you had already contacted other admins - and if that was the case it should be done properly (you made no contributions after that so I assumed you contact someone privately). Seeing as you seem to have a history of such stubborn behaviour - it seems trying to get you to acknowledge mistakes is going to be a waste of time. ed g2s • talk 13:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Gawd, what is with all of this? The comment was clearly uncalled for and has nothing to do with the relevance of a fan site. The removing of the comment was uncalled for as well since everyone gets mad when their comments gets edited as well. Best thing to do would to just ignore such comments that really has nothing to do with the discussion whatsoever. This really illustrates what wikipedia is nowaydas. "This is my article! *reverts*", "No!, It's mine! *doublereverts*" etc —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.17.141.53 (talk) 07:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Image

Do not add promotional photos to the infobox. Mika is living celebrity making frequent public appearances. As such any promo photo use to just identify him will certainly fall foul of WP:FUC#1. ed g2s • talk 14:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

WTF, so we cant post pics on him yet there' sone on the main page. Hmmmm.....Contradictory I believe.74.195.3.199 18:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

You may be missing ed's point. Fair use can only be claimed if there is no other image source. In this case there is ample opportunity for a copyright-cleared image to be used. Mrstonky 04:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] He has hit Number 1 in Ireland

[1] Take a look. He's now top of the Irish charts. Can someone adjust the page to reflect this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by E-flah (talk • contribs) 16:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Protection

Why is the page protected? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe this is due to the dispute taking place between prominent editors (see above). Mrstonky 06:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

Does anyone have a citation for how to pronounce Mika's name? Is it "mee-kuh" (IPA: miːkʌ) or "my-ka" (maɪkə)? I've noticed that a child calls him "mee-kuh" on the introduction to his song "Lollipop" -- surely there must be a more formal confirmation? — Mrstonky 07:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I know for a fact the ~~latter~~former is definitely correct - and I think the voice on the record that may even be his. ed g2s • talk 12:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's "meeka". Can't find a citation, but ed's right. also, he's called meeka on the tv and radio. i wonder if he changed from Mica to Mika to stop people pronouncing it "myca". Or maybe someone else had already used the name Mica. ConDem^Talk 15:31, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

...But Ed said it was the LATTER, e.g. the second one. I think it's mee-kah though, it's what everyone on the radio seems to be saying. I'm sure someone pretentious enough will come along and start saying "my-kah" sooner or later, and a shift will occur. But until then, it's "mee-kah" I think. 89.213.51.202 18:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

My mistake - I got confused by the second occurence of "mee-kuh". It is "me", not "my". ed g2s • talk 02:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Band?

It says "his band consists of...", so is he a solo singer? Or is "MIKA" a band? Bit confusing... 89.213.51.202

If it had said: "his family consists of..." would that mean that he was a family not an individual? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MIKA

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move page, per discussion below. -GTBacchus^(talk) 02:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

All the official mentions of his name, in liner notes and on websites, etc., seem to be listing him as MIKA. If we were to move the page there it might make things neater. What does everyone think? Driller thriller 23:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think that we should keep it as it is, partly because it's clearly a new spelling of his birth name, Mica, and partly because I think MIKA is just the way the artist Mika is currently being branded by the record company. The press seem to call him Mika, as welll - all ~~three~~ six of the newspaper reviews linked to in the ~~main~~ article from Life in Cartoon Motion call him "Mika". ConDem^Talk 02:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, see WP:NC and WP:MOS-TM. ConDem^Talk 03:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment good luck with the page move. apparently the "offical name" part doesn't really fly on wikipedia. take a look at the talk page on Kiss (band) 205.157.110.11 03:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

- Comment - I think that you need something stronger than "seems to be" to justify ignoring Wikipedia norms. -- Beardo 04:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  - Comment - I'm not suggesting ignoring Wikipedia norms. Precisely the opposite, I'm suggesting that MIKA is how Mica Penniman chooses to be known in his professional life and that, in line with Wikipedia naming policies, we should consider referring to him, and maybe naming his page along those lines. I put a hedge in there to show I'm not really bothered either way, but since it's been misinterpreted I'll take it out: "All the official mentions of his name, in liner notes and on websites, etc., ... [list] him as MIKA." Now why does that make the case any stronger? Also, this has nothing to do with WP:NC and WP:MOS-TM, but instead should be discussed in relation to Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(people)#Nick_names.2C_pen_names.2C_stage_names.2C_cognomens. Bosh. Sorry if that seems snappy, I don't mean to be. Driller thriller 19:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
    - But Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Nick names, pen names, stage names, cognomens says that we should use the names people are most commonly known by. Since the press knows him as Mika, won't most people know him by that name? Since that's mainly how they find out about him? ConDem^Talk 19:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
      - Sorry, maybe I need to clarify. I mean that since we are using a nickname, we should endeavour to format it correctly; whether we have the page at Mika or MIKA is perhaps a side issue, we should refer to MIKA. I don't know if that makes things clearer. Driller thriller 20:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
        
        OK, I might be missing your point, sorry. But the way I see it, is that whether it's a TM or a nickname, we should name it as most people recognise the name, and I believe that's "Mika". ConDem^Talk 20:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment - when I downloaded "Grace Kelly" from iTunes, he was listed as MIKA. When I first searched for him on Wikipedia, I typed in MIKA. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

"Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment" - while it may not be a registered trademark yet, the same rule applies. ed g2s • talk 16:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Oppose move per ed. Recury 16:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Oppose - ed has it right on the nose. Chris cheese whine 01:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Oppose — yup, I'm with ed too. Mrstonky 04:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Oppose too, per ed. DWaterson 23:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Friday Night Project

My birthday was the 19th and that was a Friday. Mika appeared on the Friday Night Project on Friday 19th January 2007. *Mr. GaRRiSoN 23:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

True, next time be bold. ed g2s • talk 16:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nationality

Is there a reliable source for this? At the moment we're carefully not mentioning nationality in the article. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 18:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comparisons With other Artists

The cited article only compares him to Jake Shears, not the others. I get the feeling these comparisons are made on the basis of the said artist's sexuality and are somewhat facile. Why not say something like speculation around Mika's sexuality has lead to comparison with other gay musicians; although the fact that these musicians are musically pretty diverse reflects how facile these type of comparisons are.

3tmx 22:14, 11 Februrary 2007

[edit] Page Move

I've proposed over at Talk:Mika (currently a disambiguation page) that this page should be moved to Mika and that page to Mika (disambiguation). Please leave any thoughts there. TSP 00:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move page, per discussion below. -GTBacchus^(talk) 07:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Mika (singer) → Mika — Is the only article on the disambig page known only as Mika. Is notable enough to be primary topic, since other articles have surnames, etc., as well. ConDem^Talk 04:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add # '''Support''' or # '''Oppose''' on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

[edit] Survey - in support of the move

Support - as nominator. The singer is the only person only known as Mika. He's notable enough to warrant being the primary topic. ConDem^Talk 05:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Support by User:Paul Erik - made at Talk:Mika before the discussion was moved here. "I agree that almost everyone typing in "Mika" would be looking for the singer, and also agree that he is certainly notable enough. Under the terms of Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Primary_topic, Mika the singer would constitute the "primary topic"."
Support - Mika has had a UK number one album and number one singles in the UK and Ireland. As none of the other articles linked to would in fact be called 'Mika', I believe that this fulfils the requirements to become a Primary Topic. TSP 18:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey - in opposition to the move

Oppose by User:Prolog - made at Talk:Mika before the discussion was moved here. "That seems short-sighted, as the singer seems to have been famous only for few months and mainly in the UK, not to mention that pop stars' careers are often over very quickly. Häkkinen has been referred to as "Mika" for 15 years, and still the media often simply uses his first name, such as here and here (from the last 24 hours). This seems to be common with many Finns, because Mika is short and easy to pronounce whereas the Finnish last name often is not. There is also the Armenian football team FC MIKA. Therefore, I do not think this singer has become the primary meaning for "Mika" yet. The singer's entry could be moved on top of the Mika list, instead. Although, when it comes to singing Mikas, Mika Nakashima seems to be even more notable."
Oppose Very common given name in Japan. Apparently common in Finland too (although I have no information about that). No reason for a singer to monopolize the article title. Fg2 20:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Weak oppose If it were just a collection of names I would probably support this, but considering the FC MIKA entry (which is also conceivably called just Mika) I would say it's probably best just to leave the disambiguation page in place, as there's no way to guarantee this is the primary topic. I would also say this is a bit of recentism. GassyGuy 21:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Oppose - I think it's safe to say that in English-speaking countries overall, the relative popularity of the UK singer versus the F1 driver is a no-brainer. Also, perhaps a move to Mika (UK singer) or something similar, per Mika Nakashima mentioned above. Neier 23:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we need to specify "UK" in Mika (singer)'s article title if he's kept where he is, since people typing in "Mika" will go to the disambig page anyway... That would only be true if there were two singers called simply "Mika". ConDem^Talk 00:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Oppose - Mika is a fairly common given name, and the singer has only been around for five minutes. PC78 23:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Oppose - There is an Austrian band by the name Mika that have had 3 albums. Trieste 21:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Weak oppose - Not critical, but the commonality of the name would make such a move too problematic. John Smith's 14:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Oppose Mika is a very common Japanese first name. It is like Jennifer or Sarah. As can be seen from the long list at Mika, there is much to be disambiguated. None of them should be the default Mika. The status-quo seems to be suitable. Bendono 15:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Add any additional comments:

Comment I'm not saying this really means anything, but as a piece of information, the first twenty seven google results for "mika" turn up articles about Mika (singer) (apart from one site for a company called MIKA), and only then does Mika Häkkinen appear (google search). ConDem^Talk 00:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] His birth name

According to sources such as Metacritic, Mika's name at birth was Michael Holbrook Penniman. But editors have repeatedly removed that name from this article. Reasons, comments? Thanks, --Paul Erik 19:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Profanity

In short: Wikipedia does not censor profanity, unless you're quoting the exact text which was already censored. In that case, content is quoted verbatim. See Wikipedia:Profanity. GregorB 21:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sexuality

I have removed, "A number of articles claim that Mika is gay." The supposed reference was only a single article, so it clearly didn't support the claim. (Technically, "a number of" could mean "one", but that would be an idiosyncratic interpretation.) Furthermore, the actual phrase the article used was "gay pop sensation". This could be referring to his music as "gay pop", rather than referring to him as gay.

I have also removed the mention of childhood taunts. Actually, this would be relevant to a section on his childhood, but not directly relevant to the section on his sexuality. A playground bully calling someone a "faggot" can hardly be considered a reliable source.

I've also removed the quote from Chris Taylor's entertainmentwise.com article, which only quoted the Daily Mirror quoting Mika. It's too much like a game of Chinese Whispers. -- Oliver P. 22:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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