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Contents 1 Top speed 2 Bet 3 Picture 4 Cameo in Star Trek? 4.1 Diagram 5 The Falcon's Speed 6 Hamburgers and olives 7 less than 12 parsecs 8 Rebuild 9 "Millenniumfalcon" should re-direct here. 10 Advertisements for the Transformer toys?

[edit] Top speed

"It should be noted that the latter does not directly indicated speed, but rather that Captain Solo was able to hug closer to the black hole cluster known as the Maw, shaving off distance (and thus time)."

I disagree completely. This is a far-fetched explanation found in the expanded universe, but it is not what George Lucas had in mind writing the script. Han Solo's line, as previously stated in an early version of this article,

"was most likely trying to impress Skywalker and Obi-Wan with plausible-sounding yet meaningless bragging."

I vote for the return of this original text, with an added comment about the expanded universe possibility. --Maclaine 07:16, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I disagree. In the Expanded Universe, this is the documented reason. See Kevin J. Anderson's Jedi Academy Trilogy, or the Han Solo Trilogy (the former originated this retcon, while the latter details it). --Maru (talk) 13:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree that the black hole explanation should be added. There's so much other "expanded universe" stuff in this article (of which I know nothing about), but this one crucial piece is left out. As per Lucas's intention, cite please. JD79 22:58, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

The article has changed a lot since I posted this concern. I must point out that George Lucas' explanation and Kevin J. Anderson's are not compatible. The first tells about the Falcon being able to compute shorter routes through hyperspace. The other invents a strange area in normal space. Both, however, do not change the fact that in 1977, Lucas didn't know exactly what a parsec was. Anyway, this is a discussion better left for the article Alleged inconsistencies in Star Wars. Maclaine 03:33, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

In the real universe, time and distance are interrelated through laws of relativity and the same measurement may be used for both... An object which appears to a neutral observer to be traveling at close to lightspeed would itself observe distances to be significantly compressed. We observe Alpha Centauri at 4.4 lightyears (~1.3 parsecs) away, but a ship traveling fast enough would observe the distance to be compressed to less than one parsec. Although "making the trip in under one parsec" may at first seem odd, due to space-time compression it would in fact indicate a rapid rate of travel. Of course in the Star Wars universe we are talking about speeds greater than lightspeed, and such notions don't apply, but it still may not be entirely incongruous to use measurements for distance and time interchangeably. Macboots 18:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I really think that George Lucas made this extremely clear in his commentary of A New Hope. He did know what a parsec was - a unit of distance. He goes on to explain that since nearly any smuggler can achieve lightspeed travel, the "fastest" smuggler is not the one who has the most literal speed, but the one who plots the most direct course due to navigational expertise. So when he says he's made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs, he's saying that the Falcon with Solo at it's helm can find the quickest route to any destination, thus getting there the quickest. I doubt Lucas was thinking of black holes and the nuanced & dynamic relationship between time and space. zommbi 16:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bet

In the article's opening paragraph, it mentions a "bet" whereas I've always had the impression it was a card game. Any confirmation? --xjaymanx 22:28, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I think they assumed there was little distinction.

Fair enough. --xjaymanx 00:48, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I totally agree. I seem to recall that Han Solo "won it" off of Lando Calrissian, which to me indicates a card game rather than a simple bet. Besides, bets are part of many card games that it is likely Han plays or played.Jedi Shadow 21:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Is there a way to get another photo? I love this one, it's very cool, but it doesn't very clearly show the shape of the craft for anyone who has not seen it elsewhere. Of course, it's hard to imagine who that might be, but still... --Guttlekraw 03:34, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cameo in Star Trek?

In the June 19,2005 version of the page. On the last line, someone wrote that the Falcon made a cameo appearance in Star Trek: First Contact. I looked and there's nothing that looked like it.

It appears this is valid, John Knoll (dunno fo sure) worked on the effects team of First Contact and apparantly got this in the movie, I found a thread on a forum which includes screencaps, check it out: [1]

Then, should we repost it? I think it is a bit redundant...But at least it is confirmed. That matters most.

How did it appear in ST:FC? Was it supposed to be a normal Starfleet ship? If so, which one and class?Will 05:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diagram

I LOVE this diagram. Only one question though ... where is the john?

Its in the crew quarters. It's just not labled. --70.105.106.147 23:39, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

HELP!! Where is the diagram? I searched the article and there were no links (or obvious links) to a page containing this "diagram", and the said diagram was not sitting as a picture in the article, either. I propose somebody find it and stick it somewhere in the article that not-so-knowledgeable people like me can find it. This would be much appreciated! Jedi Shadow 21:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Falcon's Speed

"At sublight velocities, the Millennium Falcon is not a particularly fast vessel; Imperial Star Destroyers have been able to keep up with her. However, the Falcon was considerably more maneuverable than Star Destroyers."

I question the validity of that statement. The Millennium Falcon is well documented as being nearly as fast a fighter at sublight speeds.

I agree with you. --Maru (talk) 01:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

-- Folks, I hate to break this to you, but it's NOT a REAL vessel! It's a fictional space ship, for Pete's sake...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.193.213.214 (talk • contribs).

...your point? The point of Wikipedia is to build good articles, regardless of whether or not the subject is fiction. EVula 06:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

It's a fictional ship? I must have overlooked the FIRST LINE THAT STATES THIS! Why don't you stop trying to be a cool kid and realize we are raising concern because this is an encyclopedia. We are trying to ensure it is as accurate as possible, even regarding fictional stories.

I believe the reason Star Destroyers caught up with the Falcon is quite simple for several reasons:

1.) The Falcon was damaged at the time and repairs were being done by Han and Chewie (to a very humorous effect that hints they may not know what they are doing).

2.) Star Destroyers are built by the Empire. Probably the best funded military group.

3.) Star Destroyers are used as both enforcers of space and land. They transport troops for ground assaults. Logically if you wish to have rapid deployment, you want a ship that is capable of it. Also, it is used to help enforce blockades, which would require swift action to catch smugglers. --Mac428 (talk) 19:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hamburgers and olives

I was troubled by the following assertion in the current article:

Starwars.com confirms the hamburger claim and also adds that Lucas referred to the cockpit of the Falcon as an olive on the side of a "flying hamburger".

The Starwars.com link is a general website link, not a specific citation of confirmation. When I searched the site, I found only two references to the hamburger idea:

• "Star Wars #52 magazine celebrates the Original Trilogy", August 25, 2004 [2]
• "Drawing the Millennium Falcon", January 12, 2005 [3]

The first actually says "reader learn [sic] about its evolution from Blockade Runner to a flying hamburger" (and says nothing about the olive cockpit). This really means that the confirmation comes from the article, which should be given as the source. The second is a guide to drawing the Falcon, and only mentions the origins in passing:

"In the early days George Lucas used to describe the Millennium Falcon as a 'Flying Hamburger', think of these two ellipses as the bun. […] George Lucas referred to the cockpit as an olive off to one side of the hamburger."

I'd feel better if we had a more authoritative quote, as such fansite material is not usually considered a reliable source. However, I'm adding the drawing-guide link to the article to provide basic support for the "confirmation". ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] less than 12 parsecs

Suppose a black hole lies between you and your destination. You could either go over it or around it... either way you get to close and you get sucked in and transported to another universe or just get ripped apart who knows. So say the safe circumference of the black hole is 26 parsecs and to get the opposite side you would have to travel 13 parsecs around either side. So if you cut it short and skirt the black hole at only 12 parsecs you not only cheat being sucked in the black hole but you also get permanently labeled as nuts. Or you could jump over the top of the black hole, which would be much shorter than half its circumference. So there are a couple of means in which you can make The Kessel Run shorter than anyone else.

I agree. That is the most logical explanation.Will 05:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rebuild

In one of the books, the Falcon had just been completely disassembled and rebuilt. Han hated the concept. However, that probably dramatically improved its lifespan.--Will 06:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Millenniumfalcon" should re-direct here.

"Millenniumfalcon" should re-direct here. I honestly tried looking for it with that name (millennium and falcon together) with no luck, then I took them apart and got here. Their are some people who still write it like this.--Gakhandal 08:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Be bold and make the redirect, then. EVula 15:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how :(.... but thanks to whomever did.--Gakhandal 20:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

That would be the ever-helpful Marudubshinki. EVula 21:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advertisements for the Transformer toys?

To me this smells of advertising.

    Many toys have been made of the Falcon, but perhaps one of the most unique is from the Star Wars Transformers line. 

Here, Han and Chewie pilot robotic versions of themselves that merge into the Falcon.

Coupled with a link to amazon where you can buy said toy kind of seals the deal.

    # ^ http://www.amazon.com/Star-DELUXE-TRANSFORMER-MILLENIUM-FALCON/dp/B000EMJ9Z6

--Mager 21:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)