Talk:Mobbing
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Took out the link to the word "receptionist," since it didn't seem to be contributing much to the discussion.
Here, I would like to discuss with you
I linked from Tom Juravich to here because he has a book coming out called Bread WithOUT Roses that I think deals at least in part with mobbing in the US.
RudolfRadna 28 December 2005
Dr Leymann first discovered Mobbing in the school systems, and then later than it transcended that environment. This point is too often overlooked, as these are children that are being mobbed and this seems to where it starts. Dr. Leymann also may have coined the context, but the term was actually borrowed due its accuracy in describing the group psychology involved.
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[edit] Mobbing v Workplace Bullying
Confusingly Leymann referred to any workplace bullying as mobbing. This use of the word mobbing is still in common use today in the US and Canada. This useage is not explained properly here.--Penbat 10:37, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I have made an effort but the whole article is still a bit muddled. I will revisit once i work out how to straighten it out.--Penbat 13:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- It might be an option to have information on the origin of the term mobbing. The term mobbing was used in Sweden and translated back to English as Workplace Bullying because the term mobbing was considered cumbersome. --Sampi/€ 20:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Changes reverted?
I have provided reasons for my changes. I don't think that one should revert without discussion or reasons. In my opinion, the weblinks were lousy (not better than a google random search). There is an article on Heinz Leymann, which was identical. Btw, some information on Leymann is just wrong. For instance, the term mobbing among humans was introduced by P.P. Heinemann who dealed basically with bullying among children. Furthermore, the statement on movies is useless, I think, because there are movies about almost everything. --Sampi/€ 20:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Changes reverted
It is significant that Heinz Leymann discovered that mobbing can lead to PTSD among victims, as there is a growing evidence that long-term exposure to non-life-threatening trauma can lead to psychological injury not unlike war-related PTSD. This is a change that is being considered by the APA for the next edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of mental disorders.
- That's true, and it can be read in the article on Heinz Leymann (there is no need to state everything twice). Other information is wrong. At the time, when Leymann used the term mobbing, it was widely used in Sweden for 15 years. As I told you before, it was Heinemann who borrowed the term mobbing from Lorenz, not Leymann, already in the late 60s (e. g. Heinemann, 1972, p. 9). Nevertheless, I don't deny that Leymann was a pinoneer among the research of workplace bullying or workplace mobbing (Leymann himself writes that bullying and mobbing can be used interchangable; source: Zapf & Leymann, 1996, p. 162). It is also true that it was much up to Leymann to introduce the term mobbing for human behaviour. Due to his efforts, mobbing refers to this kind of harassment or bullying in several European languages. "Mobbing is also found in our school systems and this too was discovered by Dr. Heinz Leymann" is not true either. Yes, mobbing in school (Leymann prefers the term "Bullying" in this context) exists. However, there was already more than one decade of research on bullying on schools, when Leymann enter the field of mobbing research, plus Leymann did never research on mobbing in school. Leymann founded a clinic to cure mobbing victims. The clinic was closed because of problems with the despotic personality of Leymann. The project failed. Therefore, it's wrong that he successfully treated thousends of people. He wanted, but he unable. Okay, much is wrong. Anyway, the main point is that there is already an article on Leymann. We don't need redudancy. Additionally, I haven't seen any argument for the quality of the weblinks and for the necessety on the movie issue. --Sampi/€ 09:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Well, it was far worse than that...almost the entire article seems to be opinion, conjecture and hyperbole. Think this article needs CPR at present. Still there were a couple of links that seem good if you get to the relevant pages. More work later --Zeraeph 12:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Eliminate foreign language links at Wikipedia?
I think we need to be cognizant that English is the universal language, and that many persons from other countries are multi-lingual, and more and more likely to have English as their primary second language. We must pause to reflect that many of our Wiki editors here have a native language other than English. We can only expect that "foreigners" will make themselves welcome here. Not every country or language has its own full-fledged Wikipedia.
It is presuming to decide for Wikipedia readers as to whether or not they should be able to find resources in their own countries or in other languages in which they are fluent. If this is against policy, please link the Wiki page that details that all foreign language links must be removed. --A green Kiwi in learning mode 11:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Clean-Up Work
I can't speak for the foreign language ones, but the other links deleted certainly needed to go. There are far better legitimate ones that can replace them if needed. However, the Leyman link is relatively weak. And I noted that first you added citations, but then later decided than encouraging improvements, that you ended up deleting them all. There is nothing there at all but totally fringe topics. I know they may have been poor, but it seems they might have been kept - even if brought over here. But I realize it is difficult when you haven't an college education in psychology to understand what you're reading. --A green Kiwi in learning mode 11:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- I REALLY think that all foreign versions of "page not found" should be removed, which is pretty much all I did (I made that clear in the edit summary too). Apart from that I switched entries from foreign language "gateway" pages to far more relevant links within the sites that were in English. I think there was one German language only site that I was assured by a native German was non-notable anyway...perhaps you should read WP:EL on this one?
- Incidentally, I know the Leymann link is weak myself (and HOW) but it turns out to be a special case. It is actually Leymann's own site, in his own broken English, still live several year after his death, and as such is quite unique. --Zeraeph 12:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Oops, I Thought the Troll Was Gone
Thought it was safe to try to contribute to this article again. Obviously not. This article has been destroyed. What a waste of everyones time. I suppose it's only fitting that a bully would target this article. Radyx 05:19, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
