Talk:Monica Seles

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Contents 1 origin 2 grunting 3 languages 4 about the lake 5 She is not... 6 Stop reverting the first sentence, Seles is not a Serb 7 comeback 8 Stabbing incident

[edit] origin

Seems pointless to emphasise Seles' ethnic Hungarian origin, after all we don't ascribe Basque origin to Arantxa Sanchez Vicario or the Aboriginal roots of Evonne Goolagong Cawley. --User:Tracer bullet 16:44, 26 Aug 2004

Emphasise? I don't think it's emphasized... it seems appropriate for the start of the chronology to say who her parents were. --Joy [shallot] 16:09, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Seems like an encyclopedia entry about a famous tennis player should focus on her *tennis* and not on her ethnicity. In any case, Seles played for Yugoslavia up until the stabbing, and for the United States after the stabbing. She is never described as a Hungarian-American AFAIK, and for good reason. --tracer_bullet 17:34, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

One sentence is hardly an emphasis, and I think her fellow Hungarians and Yugoslavians are all very proud of her. It's alright to mention it. .... Has Seles won anything while playing for Yugoslavia ? This would be sth new to add to the article. -- PFHLai 19:19, 2004 Aug 26 (UTC)

Seles won *everything* playing for Yugoslavia. 8 out of her 9 Grand Slam titles and her entire stint as the no.1 player in the world took place under that flag. In any case, I don't really feel like embarking on an edit war but that bit of information is completely superfluous, and it sort of misleads the reader. Like I said I may as well go around changing the articles to include pointless comments about Cawley's Aboriginal roots, or Sabatini's Italian background. --tracer_bullet 19:31, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

By "playing for Yugoslavia", I meant "as a member of the Yugoslavian team". -- PFHLai 19:36, 2004 Aug 26 (UTC)

She did win the 1991 Hopman Cup in tandem with Goran Prpic. Never played Fed Cup for Yugoslavia and was widely criticised for it. --tracer_bullet 19:57, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

<sarcasm>Don't forget to also delete any reference to Iran and Armenia from the Andre Agassi article.</sarcasm> --Cantus 00:10, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

As PHFLai has already stated, one sentence is not an emphasis. In order to provide a better balance between that sentence and the tennis content — please add more tennis content! --Joy [shallot]

Yes, please add tennis content. The info on the 1991 Hopman Cup and the Fed cup will be excellent additions on Seles' page. BTW, do Hopman Cup & Fed Cup have their own Wikipage ? Can't find them. Someone in the know may want to make them. -- PFHLai 19:46, 2004 Aug 27 (UTC)

In my opinion, it's useful to include ethnic background. Why should we hide it? --webkid 09:27, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] grunting

Did Katerina Maleeva really complain about the grunting ? I thought it was Nathalie Tauziat (92 Wimbledon ?) and Jennifer Capriati (one year in San Diego) who complained to WTA officials... -- PFHLai 16:04, 2004 Aug 26 (UTC)

I think it was Tauziat in the 92 Wimbledon QF, which was then taken and spun by Navratilova in order to gain a psychological edge in the SF, by complaining to the chair umpire that Seles sounded like "a stuck pig". Seles won that match, but in the final focussed all of her energy on not grunting, and consequently got routed by Graf. --tracer_bullet 17:35, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

An excerpt from a fan site ([1]): "All the tennis fans know that Monica has something very unique and special: her grunts. Many players are mad because they think these grunts are a way to bother her opponents. In fact, Monica only wants to get more power on each shot. The first player who officially asked Monica not to grunt was Katerina Maleeva. Since then, this grunting story became a stupid mental fight against Monica.". --webkid 18:57, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] languages

Does anyone know which languages Seles speaks? Obviously English and Hungarian. Does she speak Serbian? Esbullin

She speaks serbian --Goran.Smith2 11:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] about the lake

About the Monica Seles lake?

is there actually a lake named after her in india?!? Can i know where in india n where can i read about it cuz ive searched the net and found nothing

[edit] She is not...

... a Serbian or Hungarian tennis player, she is only Yugoslav and American tennis player. --Goran.Smith2 16:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stop reverting the first sentence, Seles is not a Serb

I changed the first sentence today here from stating "Seles is a Serbian-born ..." to stating "Seles is a Hungarian-American"... tennis player. This is the standard form on wikipedia and it accurately identifies her nationality (American) and ethnicity (Hungarian). This was reverted to Serbian-American, a completely false statement as Seles has never had Serbian nationality (it was Yugoslavia) and is not an ethnic Serb. I added a citation from an interview she gave to clear up the subject and hopefully prevent nationalist reverts.

M. Seles Quote "Question: You grew up as part of an ethnic minority in Yugoslavia, a nation that no longer exists, and at various times you've had to travel under assumed names, fearing politically motivated violence. What is your "official" identity? Seles response: I wouldn't want to revisit the problems caused by ethnic issues. My background is that I'm Hungarian — it's the language I speak with my mom and brother. But really, I see myself as international. I still have friends I speak Yugoslavian [sic] with, and I have my entire American life. So I guess I'm a combination of those three things."

At no point does she call herself a Serb and she wouldn't under most circumstances be considered one. Her ethnic background is Hungarian and her nationality is American - which makes Hungarian-American the most accurate way to describe her. Her birth place in Novi Sad (then Yugoslavia and not independent Serbia anyway) is mentioned in the biography section and considering when she was born that give her a connection with the former Yugoslavia and not to Serbia as a nation. Please stop reverting. --Dreko 22:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi everyone, someone should protect this article from editing since someone constantly changes Monica's ethnicity from Hungarian-American to Serbian.

If users reverting it to HUN-AM did under an username, or avoided sockpuppets, they would avoid misunderstanding like mine (I reverted it as I seemed it was vandalism). Bye. --Attilios 21:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] comeback

I really don't think Seles said that she would come back to tennis in early 2006. She would be too old to do so.70.243.228.101 22:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

69.152.174.203 02:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stabbing incident

It would be interesting to read more about her stabbing. I don't remember anything about it, only that it happened in the 90's sometime (the article says 1993). --Kimonandreou 01:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I too found the blase mention of it surprising, given that it wasn't an insignificant event. --59.100.131.213 10:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)