Talk:MP18

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I added a list of citation references to a number of points made here regarding to the weapons production and issue to the battlefield. I marked these specific areas because it contradicts with many sources on the subject, or needs verification.

Many pages (including here on Wikipedia), as well as published books such as Ian Hogg's Encyclopedia of Infantry Weapons of World War II and Chris Bishop's Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II state that the Beretta 1918 preceded the Bergmann MP-18 into service by a number of weeks or months.

Not only this, but according to such sources, as well as V.G Fedor's Evolution of Small Arms, the Beretta 1918-- as it appeared in the First World War, was not even technically a submachinegun. Whilst a number of prototypes fielded on an experimental basis were capable of select-fire, the adopted variant was only able to fire in semi-automatic, making the weapon simply a pistol-caliber carbine.

Also, according to one of the very links posted to as a source for the page contradicts the statement that full-scale production began in 1917 or 1918. It explicitly states that 50,000 pieces were ordered in 1918. Surely full-scale production did not enter before an order was ever even placed? --68.113.199.134 01:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC)Fingus

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I removed a sentence which noted that this gun is "beautifully crafted" and is so rare that it sells for "20,000" or more at auction. This sentence was poorly worded and didn't cite it sources. In addition to this I don't see how someones opinion on the aesthetic qualities of this firearm or todays current sale price in USD are valuable or relevant pieces of information for an encyclopedia article

Vietminh 09:18, 23 March 2006

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