User talk:Mukadderat

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1 Hi
2 Namus
3 An article which you started, or significantly expanded, namus, was selected for DYK!
4 Islam and women
5 Goy
6 DYK
7 Crazy Commies
8 rhymed prose
9 delete imag
10 Iranian Women

[edit] Hi

Thank you for the civil message. Hopefully, the issue is resolved now. Peace. --Striver - talk 08:51, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Namus

I added a link on the Namus talk page to some new material that may want to incorporate and footnote into the article. -- Jreferee 19:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, namus, was selected for DYK!

On January 3, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article namus, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid 64 03:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Islam and women

Hi! The category you made needs to be consistent with other cats and its own content. Out of pages about Persian women, only one article namely Persian women's movement may belong to this category, as Islamic law is in power during last three decades and Persian women (muslims, jewish, christian, atheists ...) are all struggling with Islamic laws. Other articles can not be categorized under Islam as Persian culture is more close to Zoroastrianism than to Islam. Please discuss your ideas with wikipedians working on Iranian pages before editing them in future. Categorizing people based on religion is not acceptable unless the person is a cleric or religion is the dominant feature of his/her identity. See categories for deletion:[1] Fooladin 21:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, "Allah is patient." But it seems you are not! The definition of a category must be based on consensus. Apparently you think "nothing can be done without your approval." You said "This category is about women interacting with Islam." Well the answer is simple. This is your personal definition. Ofcourse western societies (including women!) are also struggling with Islam. Islamic society either means ummah (the accurate meaning) or arab society (as arab culture and islamic culture are melted in eachother). The article on "Iranian women" is not about women of modern Iran. Modern Iranian women (19th century and 20th century) is the subject of "Persian women's movement". Any material in wikipedia needs to be based on consensus. I have seen that you refuse to categorize pages about European women and American women under "Category:Christianity and women". Are you saying women in Europe did not interact with christianity? Why should we have always a double standard? I will never be tired of discussion. and I try to assume good faith. Fooladin 09:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

OK. You convinced me. You convinced me that you are seriously committed to ignore other people's opinion and are going to use all kinds of crooked logic and insinuations. If you are going to pull this "double standard" trick, why don't you go and create category:Iranian men? Mukadderat 08:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Answer to your question: "Are you saying Iran is not Islamic country?" Viewing Iran as a Islamic country is the Iran's government's policy which has been critisized widely during last three decades. The word ummah was used by Ayatollah Khomeini for the first time in Iran and was a part of his policy. Yes, Iran is NOT an Islamic country (a meaningless term), Iran has an Islamic government. Any ways, It is a contemporary issue and contemporary Iranian women is the subject of "Persian women's movement" article. "Iranian women" article is about Persian culture and how women were depicted in miniatures, poetry, literature in ancient times. How traditional Persian dress look like etc. It means the article tries to define Persian women in contrast to women in other cultures including Islamic culture. For example You see pictures of women with no Islamic dress, drinking wine etc. This is the dominant picture of women in Persian miniatures. I am not saying this culture is good or bad. I am not saying muslim women and Islamic culture is good or bad either. I hope it is now clear. Fooladin 09:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Not clear. there are women. There is a dominant religion. It is even more interesting to see that "islamic" dress is not an obligatory attribute of Islam, despite Western attempts to draw this picture of "women in black" over all Islamic world. By refusing my classification you are effectively supporting the western stereotype that Islamic world is all harems, stoning of women, forced marriages, jihad, paranja/hijab/chachvan, ritual killings (while Christian World is all peace and democracy and women rights) What?... There is no Christian World in wikipedia???? Mukadderat 17:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Goy

Done. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 30 March 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rhymed prose, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Carabinieri 11:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crazy Commies

I noticed that you (might or might not) have the article Economy of the Soviet Union in your watchlist. This article is need of serious work but it's a big task. If you are so interested I'd love your help. NeoFreak 22:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

No. I just joined "vandalism patrol". Unfortunately I have absolutely nothing to say about Soviet Union. Judging from the very sparse talk in the talk page, I see that no one is really interested in beating the dead horse. Mukadderat 23:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

No worries. I'm going to beat that dead horse to death (again) when I find the time. Right now I'm embroiled in a disaster with the NeoPagan wikiproject so I'll just hope that I have the time to get around to it. I've also raised some some concerns about the deltion project after Elara left. I'm pretty sure you're a member but I might be wrong. Hit me up about that when you get a chance. NeoFreak 23:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

No, I am not an "official and self-aware deletionist", but I do sometimes spend some time on voting for deletion (and mostly for deletion; I maintain that if something is worth keeping, someone will write a good article sooner or later, so no reasn to "defend" them in AfD, so in a way yes, I am a "deletionist", but not a "proactive" one). Mukadderat 23:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't want you to think that I'm asking for support, the creation of the new deltionist cabal is a bit away :). Don't worry about upadating my talk page, I'll just watchlist yours. you and I seem to have alot of congruent opinions on Wikipedia, I'll just let that run its course. NeoFreak 00:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)