User talk:Murderbike

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[edit] What do ya know?

I'm listening to you right now Murderbike. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 05:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

The song. Do you play in a band? And now I'm listening to "Of Chivilary and Romance in a Dumpster"...wait, now it's "Drugtown." Damn, the only complaint I have about This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb is their cd's are too short. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Now it's "Sixteen Tons." I just got this cd yesterday and I already had Front Seat Solidarity. Anyways, I swear the opening riff to this song sounds a lot like "Terminal Preppie" Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Can't say that I do know the original. Is it by TBIAPB? My favorite song on this cd is "The Black Panther Song." Anyway, I noticed your edit to folk punk and obviously the name stuck out since I was listening to the song at the time. I'm about to put in oi polloi I think though. BTW, I properly capitalized your band's name for you since you asked about it on the talk page. Are you guys and/or gals going to be in CA anytime soon? Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:19, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

If you ever need help with anything else around wikipedia just holler. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Lesson 1: How to sign talk page posts (don't use within articles!) Type ~~~~ for name and date (most common and best in most cases), ~~~ for just name and ~~~~~ for just the date. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:42, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hee hee...

I love the new userbox. I have a button on my jacket that says "Against abortion? Have a vasectomy." Haven't followed it myself since I think I'm too young to make such a permanent decision on that front, but yeah. I also like the saying "If you can't trust me with a choice, how can you trust me with a child?" Anyway, I'll leave you alone for now. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 05:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I really love kids and on one level I want to have one of my own, but I really don't want to contribute to the population and I don't want to bring a new life into this depressing world so the whole adoption idea looks really good to me. I'm still several years away from that sort of thing though. As of now my only child is my dog. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 05:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your New Article

Not bad. Never heard of them so it was a learning experince. Just make sure you have citations for everything (although chances are it will never be much of a problem). Was Makhno a part of the group? Russian and Ukranian anarchist history is something I need to brush up on more. I recently got a book on Cuban anarchism though, but I have to finish The Culture of Make Believe by Derrick Jensen first. Luckily I'm on break till the 16th or so (I love college). Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I knew Makhno is usually considered the main person associated with platformism which is why I asked since the text of the article didn't mention him and he was only in the see also section. As for the book, it looks like it's a broad overview. The chapters are based on time periods, the first being 1865-1898 and the last (minus the conclusion) is 1962-2001 (the post-"revolution" period I believe). I've always wanted to travel Latin America and I thought this book would be informative if I were to ever travel to Cuba. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: vandals

Hey there, to answer your question, yes you do have to be an admin to block IP's even if they are persistently vandalizing a page. BUT, you can alert an admin when you see that a vandal has been persistently vandalizing pages by posting his IP address (in this case: 66.217.49.175) on WP:AIV and an admin will take care of the problem for you. I hope this answered your question in a way that was easy to follow; if not, contact me on my talk page and I would be more than glad to help you). Cheers! Wikipediarules2221 02:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I gave him a warning for now, but let me know if he keeps vandalizing the page. Wikipediarules2221 02:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

When reverting edits, the "Undo" feature is fine if they only made one edit. Your recent revert of Equals sign undid the last vandal edit, but not the one before. I reverted back to the last good edit. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 22:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DAB pages

Hi Murderbike, and thanks for your message. I think you'll find creating a disambiguation page is no different to a normal page. Typically it'll contain the phrase "(disambiguation)" following it, e.g. Apple (disambiguation). That's a good example - you'd then usually write "Apple can be:"... and add all your links to the various types of things an apple can be. Finally, you'd usually finish the page of with a {{dab}} or {{disambig}} template, which will automatically categorise the page as a disambiguation page. Hope this helps, if not, or indeed, if so, let me know how you get on! Cheers! Budgiekiller 20:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem, looks like you got it spot on! Don't hesitate to get in touch again if you need anything else. Cheers! Budgiekiller 21:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Images

Gee, wish I could help you there. I don't know and don't care to know much about the whole image thing. Sarge Baldy might be a good person to ask, he's an anarchist and an admin here, so he'll probably know more about all that legal stuff. I had a hard enough time trying to prove the Food Not Bombs logo was public domain. I actually ended up talking to one of the founders of Food Not Bombs on the phone to get that whole thing clarified. I think if you have an image of his work though it could be considedered fair use. Also, that external link isn't working, at least not for me. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anarcho-punk and sXe

Hi, would you mind taking a look at the section titled "Input needed at Anarcho-punk and Straight edge" at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Punk music. Thanks. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 02:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Andthelordsaid.jpg listed for deletion

Well it depends, how did they say it and what exactly did they say? Cbrown1023 05:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Make sure that the author is stated and then put {{GFDL}} for licsensing. Cbrown1023 05:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Then make sure that the artist-dude has no problems with that. k? Cbrown1023 05:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who did you piss off?

Seriously. Your page is getting vandalized more than mine ever was when I was as new as you. If you want I have a section on my userpage that shows some of the vandalism I've gotten. It's all so stupid. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, doing recent page patrolling tends to get your page vandalized a bit. There was vandalism on my page where the person kept replacing my page with the classic Che image with a slash through it and it said "this is what happens to traitors" or something, but the image was deleted so you can't really see it anymore. It was pretty funny. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Thanks

Hi. I'm not sure which vandalism revert you're referring to, but I do what I can. —Wknight94 (talk) 05:16, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh that! Yeah, no problem. Sorry, it all starts to blend together after a while. —Wknight94 (talk) 05:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: C.H.U.N.K. 666

Thx for working on CHUNK - your wiki handle and the other wikipedia stuff you are working on makes it pretty obvious to me that you know more about them than I do. I'm outta here.. Quackking 05:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)quackking

I wish the original CHUNK site was still around - the old one, from the mid 90's was excellent and very literate. That's where that quote came from (in my memory only, I can't find a cached copy of it) - where they said because life is short, and should be painful as well... heh..Quackking 05:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)quackking

[edit] political art / etc

Hi Murderbike - I'm coming to your page via the CFD on Category:Subversive artists. Subversive is a bit hard to define, but I agree that political art is an important category and have been working on various subcats to include political art in appropriate subcats -- political fiction, and so on. What do you think of the general hierarchy tree Category:Political art and Category:Political artists under which the various subcats of political (environmental, feminist, anarchist, Marxist, etc.) and art (literature, fiction, poetry, music, art, etc.) would be housed? --lquilter 21:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alemdjrodo Kangni and other foreign-language articles

There's a tag - {{db-notenglish}} - for articles that aren't in English and already exist on another Wikipedia project (probably the fr wikipedia in this case). [1] comes up with a "page not found", so it's probably not there. So a good procedure is this:

1. Place {{notenglish}} on the article.
2. Follow the instructions in the notenglish tag to put the article here.

WP:PNT is watched by numerous editors with language skills and it'll either be translated or, if appropriate, tagged for speedy. Articles remaining untranslated for seven days will be deleted. See Wikipedia:Translation for details of translation facilities available on the en Wikipedia. Regards, Tonywalton  | Talk 11:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. It seems I keep having this conversation with different people :-) - see this for an expanded version. Tonywalton  | Talk 11:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Sigh. We're both muppets. That article, along with Sokey Edorh are both copyvios (from http://togopages.net/blog/?page_id=2 and http://togopages.net/blog/index.php?s=edorh&searchbutton=Go%21] respectively. Deleted as copyvios. Cheers, Tonywalton  | Talk 11:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

"Muppet" comes from The Muppets. It's used in the UK to mean "somewhat stupid person" - maybe like "jerk" but without the insulting connotation. G'night Tonywalton  | Talk 12:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

he he if you dont mind me butting in, i think muppet is still quite insulting, but i guess its the way you say it.. Mujinga 04:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] C.h.u.n.k. 666

hello, it seems a shame to me that the chunk article got deleted, altho it may well have deserved to have been deleted by not proving its notability under wikistandards. i dont know, because i didnt see it. anyhoo, i would like to create the article again, seeing as i can provide refs to prove the group's notability. i have contacted the admin who deleted it here and i will be interested to take it up after a week's wikibreak. i will leave the same message for Quackking. cheers, Mujinga 04:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

ok! do you still have a copy of the page somewhere? i also asked the admin who deleted it if i could see it. and was the article a stub? because if it was, under undeletion guidelines it can be simply begun again, whereas if if was a full article, going by the book, its better to apply to get it undeleted first, then clean it up.

how do you know chunk btw? i was traded some zines with sara from portland following a carbusters conference in prague a few years back. they're a funny read.

what ref.s did you use? here are the ref.s i found just now, which i think easily prove chunk's notability:

• Critical mass: bicycling's defiant celebration - Page 208
• http://allenink.ws/chunk666.html
• http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/Content?oid=22224&category=34029
• http://www.villagevoice.com/nyclife/0612,tucker,72601,15.html
• http://www.bikesummer.org/2001/calendar/
• http://www.freewilliamsburg.com/august_2003/chunkathalon.html
• http://www.news4neighbors.net/article.pl?sid=05/09/06/2046228
• http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/9381/

Mujinga 04:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

funny you should mention anarchopedia, i was just browsing it meself - and its not really an "alternative view of wikipedia" like the other links, so i'm glad you found it.

i checked your contributions but i guess a deleted page is taken out of the records. it can still be accessed by admins though. how large was the article when it was deleted - was it kinda stub sized?

i'm off now, have a nice weekend! Mujinga 04:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Jensen

Eh, no I'm reading "The Culture of Make Believe." I'm about 3/4 done with it and it's so wonderful. One of the best books I've read, but definitely contributing to my occasional misanthropy as well. Which is funny because I just started listening to Dystopia right as I got your message. I do want to get some more by Derrick ASAP. I'm also thinking I might try to find him since he lives in some forest on the Northern Cali coast, and I'm going to tranfer to Humboldt State University this fall most likely. I'm thinking he might be near there. But yeah, he seems like he'd be cool to have a discussion with some time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Ungovernable Force (talk • contribs) 05:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

They look to be a county away from each other. Probably less than an hour drive if I can bum a ride from a friend. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prolific

Man, you've been here for a fraction of the time I have and you've contributed so much more than I ever have. Damn! As such, I present you with, drumroll please, this well-deserved barnstar! Keep up the good work!

		The Original Barnstar
		For your dedication and hardwork, especially in the area of page creation. I salute you! Ungovernable Force 05:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Hey there.

I was just on Force's talkpage, and I clicked through to here to see your barnstar - which you totally deserve - and I noticed the Civil War userbox I designed. It's nice to see people borrowing my stuff. You read comics? No one I know does, but I'm a secret fan, and Green Arrow is undeniably awesome - he was turned into an anarchist in the 70s, and I have a couple of issues from his run with Green Lantern (basically a cop) where he talks about the evils of capitalism, racism, etc. It was a great run.
Anyway, you need help with anything, feel free to ask me for help as well. Good work. ~Switch ^t 16:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The run started with Green Lantern vol. 2 #76 and ran through to #89, but it's normally called Green Lantern/Green Arrow. From what I've read and heard, most of the issues dealt with racism and other bigotry, but covered other topics as well, with varying degrees of radicality. Cheers. ~Switch ^t 08:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: it's/its

There's a lot I don't know about grammar, too. :) I'm not sure why it's the convention, but a good rule of thumb is to use "its" whenever you don't mean "it is" or "it has", probably for the same reason you don't see words like "our's", "her's" and "their's". There's also a (pretty short) article on it at Its. Ylem 18:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User warning templates

Hello Murderbike, just a friendly reminder to always subst user warning templates (like this: {{subst:uw-delete1}}). Thanks, and happy editing! BryanG^(talk) 02:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Yep, pretty much all the templates listed at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace (including the warnings) should be subst'd. BryanG^(talk) 02:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CSD of Big Daddy Weave article

Murderbike, I have established the notability of the Big Daddy Weave article. I would really be grateful if you removed the csd tag ASAP. The band has singles on most of the Wow CDs. Note 225,000 google hits for this [2] Peace out, MPS 04:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Theatre company raound earth

Thanks for your help and edits - have been meaning to clean it up for almost a year, sigh... so thanks ! SatuSuro 07:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah with bold/ italic issue - there's an outside chance ie very low - that there might be other articles that might link to the names of the plays and other theatre companies - not sure though ... It must be the third or fourth time its been tagged as well - wiull try to fix it for once and for all this time... sigh SatuSuro 07:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

WOW you need a barnstar for your sensitivity on that issue! heheh, I and I used to think... dont let me go down that road - I used to live in the area where it is based and fortunately (or unfortunately if you looked at my archive - ...) I had an isbn issue with about 50 articles on the west coast of tas - and have only just resolved the issue of sorts- must have the best referenced stubs for the whole of tasmania as a result of a mis-typed isbn in one of the books I have been using. The article we are talking about is originallly a self written history by davey himself (I once acted in a king lear that he produced and direct in Perth in the... 1970's....) so the task has been to get it encycolpediac in tone and get rid of the tone that he put it in. I left tasmania in the late 1970's and I suspect that the the theatre companies and plays mentioned might not have articles - most editors in tassie (so few anyway) are not my vintage - so they probably dont know they even existed. Hey if you have the add point (I must say I get it too...) I'll get out of your way till some time later, cheers from very hot Perth, western australia - and hthanks for the heads up! SatuSuro 07:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Long term plan is an article on the frederick - and a few other items mentioned - but I have a very new editor in hobart whom I might think be able to help me with a few derivative articles... SatuSuro 07:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Now now - you dont write things like that - two hander - should be in wiktionary - one person show - the other one - not sure - probably tommorrow - I gotta be dads taxi to son number one - back on in a few hours... SatuSuro 07:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Looking at you user page reminded me I have a beef with an american musicians article - when it comes back to me I'll post the name (forgetful) SatuSuro 12:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reefer (drug)

I suppose I understand why you nominated it for speedy del. but the reason I added it was because some 'slower' people may not understand that cannabis was the same as marijuana.

I did. Soupsportz 04:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] question

Hey, what do the numbers that appear next to your name in recent changes mean? Mine just went from (+71) to (+2)

• I'm going to test it on my user page, then revert edits.

Yes, it is changes in number of words.

No, its in number of characters.

[edit] History of Vojvodina

Please learn something about history of the region before your blind reverts. That paragraph was added by Hungarian nationalist and have nothing to do with reality. See now your own edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Vojvodina&diff=103991886&oldid=103991790 Please tell me what tensions exist between native Serbian population and hundreds of thousands of resettled ethnic Serbian refugees? If you cannot say this, then refrain from those unilateral actions in the future, ok? PANONIAN (talk) 02:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, my comment was for that user (I know him very well), and believe me, he and his "friends" do not edit Vojvodina related articles with good faith. PANONIAN (talk) 03:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Just FYI, ( I feel compelled to defend my character here...) I'm a "she" not a "he", I'm not a Hungarian "nationalist", and my edit WAS in fact made in good faith. I consider the current situation in Vojvodina important enough to warrant at least a few sentences, I wasn't trying to push any sort of stupid Greater Hungarian POV nonsense. I apologize for any factual errors I may have made, they were unintentional.K. Lásztocska 04:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps I confused you with some other user and I apologize if I done this, but anyway, that does not change the nature of source that you used for your edit. PANONIAN (talk) 17:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I will explain one by one:

• "Recently Vojvodina has suffered increasing ethnic strife, which has intensified since the national elections of 2003. The disparity between the native population and hundreds of thousands of resettled ethnic Serbian refugees from the most recent Balkan wars"

Let see, what is wrong here? First, was it ethnic strife in Vojvodina? There were allegations of some leaders of Hungarian minority (note that 26 different nations live in Vojvodina and that only leaders of Hungarian minority claim this) that Serbs attacking Hungarians in Vojvodina. There were certain individual clashes between certain people (but mostly connected with mafia like in any other country) and there is no proof that such clashes were ethnically motivated. Furthermore, the delegation of European Union also came to investigate this and their conclusion was that there were only some isolated cases of ethnic clashes and Vojvodina in general is peaceful place. One more thing: the sentence that I quoted claim that there is "disparity between the native population and Serbian refugees". You should note that most of the native population are also Serbs and this sentence imply that they are not.

• "Harassment and attacks on Jews, Roma and ethnic Hungarians are frequently reported"

Roma and Jews themselves do not claim that somebody attacking them. It is again some leaders of Hungarian minority who claim this. But why? They have one political goal and it is this: Hungarian Regional Autonomy. And how can they achieve this? They believe that they can achieve this if they convince world that they are endangered in Serbia. But if they did not managed to convince European investigators, I do not see why Wikipedia should have this mission - this is an encyclopaedia, not political forum or something like that.

• Finally: http://www.hhrf.org/hhrf/en/vojvodinareport-mar-2005.htm

This web site is example of Greater Hungarian nationalism and is not reliable source at all. I will give you one example, among others, the site have this title: "Hand Grenade Explodes Outside Home of Ethnic Hungarian Leader in Vojvodina, Serbia". I read about that grenade and it did not exploded even near house of this leader - it exploded in his street several blocks away and his neighbour was the target (which was confirmed by the police), but no matter of that, this leader claimed that he was the target - a nice example of forged story. If yoo want to know more, just ask. PANONIAN (talk) 03:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding other conflicts in former Yugoslavia, I do not think that there is one article about this - there are many such articles, so if you want to read them you can start here: Yugoslav wars. However, I do not like much those articles because most of them are POV and are a subject of heavy revert wars. I much more like to work on "normal" geographical and historical articles related to former Yugoslavia and I am trying as much as possible to keep this POV out of those articles - there is really problem with people who want to push their POV into those articles and I might in the future ask for some change of Wikipedia policy with this, i.e. as an example, if somebody have negative attitude towards Kazakhstan, he should be prevented from such negative writting about Kazakhstan - this is not place for people to heal their personal frustrations. PANONIAN (talk) 03:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RABL

Thanks for contributing to the discussion on RABL's AfD. I'm not sure what "limited access to the free world" is but I hope your next couple of months pass well. Reading might help. Warm Regards. Edivorce 19:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Watching user page

Already have been. But I'll keep an eye on it. I'm just back from an unexpected wikibreak myself. Ungovernable Force^{Poll: Which religious text should I read?} 06:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of ¡Tchkung!

I've nominated ¡Tchkung!, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that ¡Tchkung! satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/¡Tchkung! and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of ¡Tchkung! during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. RJASE1 ^Talk 13:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back

By complete coincidence, I happened to be here just now, and it's just become Wednesday. So, welome back Murderbike! ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 14:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)