Talk:Musical improvisation

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[edit] Cleanup

The article needs to be cleaned up after recent edits and added headings (when it was a section of Improvisation). Notice that under the jazz improv section there is information about classical music. Hyacinth 02:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Its now better. The lead still needs work. Hyacinth 22:53, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, my edit conflicted with yours. I'll take a look at the differences later and try to reconcile them. Outriggr 23:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I fixed it. Perhaps in the future you could reconcile your edits before making them rather than undoing someone else's work? Hyacinth 23:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I will, or likely abort my edits altogether if the other user's change is substantial (I couldn't the extent of your changes, and I was wanting to get off the computer). That's the first time I've encountered this scenario on Wikipedia. I did say I would fix it, and would have, had you not done so already. My original edit may have been an imposition to you, and for that I apologize, but it was not, as you described it in the log, "counterproductive". Peace out. Outriggr 02:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

See Help:Edit conflict for more information. Hyacinth 02:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't notice a second box with my edit, which this helpfile says will show up. Will look for it next time. Outriggr 02:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't yet realize there had been an edit conflict when I wrote the edit summary, I thought you had actually undone my changes rather than edited over them. Hyacinth 03:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Popular improvisation

I'd like to make some edits to the popular music section, namely the pigeonholing of popular improv into the pentatonic scale as is stated in this article. If anything it's the blues scale that is mostly relied on but saying this alone would be too compact an explanation. I'm also adding parts about how one of the major tenets of jazz is improvisation. --Theloniouszen 20:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, my corrections got a lot longer than expected..I just had a lot to say. --Theloniouszen 00:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, since the blues scale is basically the penatonic with an added blue note, there's not very much difference between the two. Would it be safe to assume that they're both equally common? 151.213.230.196 03:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that the blues scale and the pentatonic are a note away from each other (blues scale is 1, b3, 4, b5, 5, b7 and pentatonic is 1,2,3,5,6). I think harmonically there is a great distance between the two - the blues scale can be used equally well with major and minor keys and has a certain edge to it from which an entire genre of music has spawned. The pentatonic scale makes me think of either East Asian music or Duane Allman's introduction to "Jessica". If you wanted a scale in jazz that is for the most part wholly major, the Mixolydian is a lot more common, becuase the b7 fits in with the stacked chord nature of jazz harmonics.--Theloniouszen 06:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, any scale consisting of 5 notes can be called pentatonic. Pax:Vobiscum 14:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plagiarism?

Third paragraph of the section titled "Western Classical Music"

Throughout the Baroque, Classical, and Romantic periods, improvisation was a highly valued skill. J.S. Bach, Handel, Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, and many other famous composers and musicians were known especially for their improvisational skills. Many classical scores contained sections for improvisation, such as the cadenza in concertos. The preludes to some keyboard suites by Bach and Handel, for example, consisted solely of a progression of chords. The performers used these as the basis for their improvisation.

1. 4 on the list

http://www.jazclass.aust.com/articles/impro1.htm

Many classical scores contained sections for improvisation. The preludes to keyboard suites by Bach and Handel for example consisted solely of a progression of chords. The performers used these as basis for their improvisation (just like in Jazz). In the scores of to day most of these progressions have been translated into full music notations by various editors.

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