Talk:Hēafodsīde

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Innungbred 1 Main Page design 2 Native names 3 Word for "Czech" 4 Difference between Beon and Sindon 5 Letters 'æ' and 'Æ' with a stress on them 6 how do you pronounce 'wicipǣdia'? 7 Curious 8 Why 9 numerals 10 Wikimedia Commons 11 == Great work == 12 Wow! 13 Hwæt is þæs Englisce word for "Frisian"? 14 Main page 15 PixelBot 16 Harrogate 17 Fuþorc brūcendas

[ādihtan] Main Page design

Hey all. The main page has been with us for over a year now, and I was wondering if anyone would be interested in a redesign of it. Here are a few of the possibilities:

• one
• two
• three - my favorite so far
• four
• five
• six
• seven
• eight
• nine
• ten
• eleven
• twelve
• thirteen

Take your picks, take a vote. --James 08:56, 1 Hrēþmōnaþ 2006 (UTC)

I think the 3th and the 5th ones are very good. And there's no using of italics, that with signs as "ǣ" looks awful. I think we should change it soon. Michał P. 21:09, 15 Mǣdmōnaþ 2006 (UTC)

[ādihtan] Native names

All the other Wiki language sites use their native name, e.g. Deutsch for German, 日本語 for Japanese. For consistency, shouldn't Anglo-Saxon be called Englisc or Anglisc?--71.195.182.164 03:59, 20 Solmōnaþ 2006 (UTC)

It's called Englisc here, but other sites use Anglo-Saxon to avoid confusion with modern English. If it were changed to Englisc overall, I'd be fine with it. --James 08:56, 1 Hrēþmōnaþ 2006 (UTC)

For consistency's sake, "Dutch" should be called "Niðerlendisc" on the main page. Lufiend

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Ummmm, I would like to help this site, but I don't know a spit of Anglo-Saxon, so, is there a site with words or something like that? --Kikimora

nǽfre gehygd. ís ástemnian ác (dictionary). --Kikimora

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Also, about first - there are several options, depending on the meaning, and I was wondering if someone could help me compare our usage to meaning and ensure correct usage. There's:

1. ǣresta - first, erst, before all; Latin primus
2. forma - first, earliest; Latin prímus; but formesta was primus, strenuissimus, foremost, first, best, most valiant
3. frum - primal, original, first; Latin natívus, prímitívus, prímus
4. fyrmest, formest - foremost, first; Latin primus

Anyone see any need to switch any to ǣresta or fyrmest or something else? --James 04:07, 3 Winterfylleþ 2005 (UTC)

umm, why does this exist? no one spakes anglo saxon anymore.

Is that what this language is? Interesting. --198.163.150.33 21:19, 4 Blōtmōnaþ 2005 (UTC)

Well, some people can speak Anglo-Saxon. This is surely obvious by virtue of the existance of this project. Similarly, there is a successful Latin Wikipedia. --87.80.42.198 20:34, 1 Géolmónaþ 2005 (UTC)

By definition, any Wikipedia that has its talk page in a more common language has no reason to exist.

By whos definition? It only means that the only people to have posted so far are those who speak new English.

Hmm, what is this? Does anybody speak ango-sachsian as a mother tongue? 213.67.231.142 00:05, 11 Solmōnaþ 2006 (UTC)

[ādihtan] Word for "Czech"

It appears to me that "Czech" in Old English should either look like "Czesc" - by simple etymology, however spelling of the initial "ch"-sound as "cz" remains questionable - or it should be derived from "Bohemian".

What is the history of Czech? Is there some historical tribe to which the people/country correspond? --James 04:07, 3 Winterfylleþ 2005 (UTC)

There was a legendary forefather Czech (the ending -ch pronounced as in "loch"), who led his tribe to settle in central Bohemia. On a second thought, the Old English derivative adjective might rather be "Czechisc" (no idea about appropriate spelling nor pronunciation). My original suggestion came from the correspondence of Czech "-sky" (where "-y" is only either masculine or adverbial ending, therefore the formant itself is "-sk-") to Old English "-isc" (and some other Germanic languages "-sk"/"-sk-"). The Czech adjective "český" is a contraction of theoretical "čech-ský", hence my apparently incorrect first suggestion above.

On the other hand, the English word "Czech" is very young (19th century). Prior to that, any adjective used in western languages to refer to the people of Bohemia or their language would have been derived from Latin-originated Bohemia/Bohemian.

In Old English, the Bohemians are Behēmas, so their land might be Behēm(a)land and the people Behēmisc. --139.62.223.172 20:00, 13 Winterfylleþ 2005 (UTC)

The problem to be sorted out is that the description should refer to the modern language/people but using the language that was spoken when the modern description was still way in the future. If you follow the logic of calling modern languages by the names for their ancestral ones contemporaneous with Old English, wouldnt you have to leave blank subjects like the internet and star treck IE everything that would have had no original description in the time before The Battle of Hastings? Maybe its better to come up with new definitions, as it's not the fault of Old English, that it doesnt have ancient ways of describing modern phenomena ممتاز 01:14, 13 Þrimilcemōnaþ 2007 (UTC)

A wonderful surpise to find an Anglo Saxon Wikipedia. Keep up the good work.

It seems to me that 'Czechisc' is the right word, though the cz and ch are not really correct in Anglo Saxon spelling. It is not quite justifiable to use the ancient name of Bohemia to describe the modern state. Moreover, the Czech Republic consist of both Bohemia, Moravia and a part of Silesia. The proper name is surely disputable in many European langauges. The 'Czech Republic' is sort of formal, 'Czechia' is somehow a construction, and the good old name Bohemia can be misleading. The Czechs themselves use Cechy for Bohemia, and Cesko for the whole country, the first being plural of the name of the inhabitants, the latter an abstraction similar to a Latin-inspired -ia ending. After the split of Czechoslovakia, the proper name of the new state was discussed, according to information I can find.

'Czesc' would not be structurally correct but a neologism.

Let me add that in Danish we say 'Tjekkisk' (remember, Scandinavian J is spoken as English Y). Scandinavian -sk endings usually completely correlate to Anglo Saxon -sc. The initial tj and the kk in the middle are merely substitutes of the ch sounds we don't have (neither ch as in church nor as in Scottish loch.)

After writing this I just saw that 'Ċecisc' is already used in this Wikipedia language list. So it would be best to stick to this. The name of the country would be Ċecland or alternatively Ċecisc Lēodþing.

(User Casperin the Danish Wiki.)

Good suggestions, but a republic was a cynewīse. It was defined as "the state, republic, commonwealth" in Bosworth and Toller. I'm just wondering 2 things: (1) would Cecisc be more understandable than Behēmisc, and (2) should we go with that over Bohemia (we kind of already use a neologism for Germany instead of Germania, which described the land of the German tribes around 500 or so AD). Perhaps a small vote is in order? --James 19:38, 7 Solmōnaþ 2006 (UTC)

In Bohemian geo wunode Celtisc folc gehaten þā Boii. Æfterra Germanisc folc gehaten þā Mearcmenn (þe þā Romisce heton Marcomanni) feng þæt land ond heton hit Boiahaimaz þe þā Romisce writon Boiohaemum and wǣre in Ealdenglisce Boiaha-m, and of þissum cwom þæt nama Bohemia.

And þā Boii fordrifene of hira land fōron in Gallia- þe is nu Francland, ond Julius Caesar wrāt ymb þǣm Boiīs in his bēc De Bello Gallico. Ond mæg beon þæt in þǣm farungum manige Boii wurdon þeowas, ond mæg beon þæt of þissum cwom þæt Niwenglisce word boy, swa sume secgaþ þæt þæt stedename Boycott is of "Boia-cot", gif wæs ungewriten Ealdenglisc word *boia þe segde cnapan oððe þeow. Anthony Appleyard 08:02, 5 Hrēþmōnaþ 2006 (UTC)

[ādihtan] Difference between Beon and Sindon

Hey, I'm thinking about writing some articles for Seo Wisdombōc, but I can't understand the difference between the beon and wesan stems of the verb "to be". I'm trying to learn Old English from Bright's Old English Reader, but it's rather unclear on that point. I know that the talk page isn't a langauge tutorial, but I know of no better place to ask.

Also, in this wiki, people seem to use accents. I haven't noticed such accents in any of the sample texts from the Reader, or on photographs of ancient manuscripts. Didn't the Anglo-Saxons employ a writing scheme that was regular and excluded accent marks?

Anyway, thanks for any reply in advance.

Hey it is quite simple in fact. Please take a look here: http://www.ucalgary.ca/UofC/eduweb/engl401/lessons/beonpron.htm I believe this shopuld help.

PS. It's cool to have a page on Wiki in OE

Hi! Wilcume to þǣm wici! The bēon-stem was essentially a future stem, used sometimes to express eternal truths or wishes, while the wesan-stem was for present and past tenses and temporary statements (I'm cold - mē is ceald) and statements like "I'm a boy" (ic eom bearn) or "I am in my room" (ic eom in mīnum rūme). If you check out the actual texts, you can get a good feel for when each is used. As for the accent marks or macrons, we use those here because it's an easier way to differentiate between words that would otherwise look exactly the same:

   * ǣl "eel" vs. æl "awl"
   * ēoh "yew-tree" vs. eoh (poetic word for) "horse"
   * hātian "heat, be hot" vs. hatian "hate"
   * hrān "reindeer" vs. hran "whale"
   * mētan "meet, encounter" vs. metan "mark off, estimate".
   * scēad "reason, distinction, discretion" vs. scead "shadow"
   * wācian "weaken" vs. wacian "waken, keep awake"
   * wrǣn "stallion" vs. wræn "wren".

I'm going to double-check on the beon/wesan usage in the syntax guide I had to be sure. --James 21:47, 14 Wēodmōnaþ 2006 (UTC)

[ādihtan] Letters 'æ' and 'Æ' with a stress on them

I can't see them. They are displayed as white squares. Is there any way to fix this? 82.58.23.58 11:10, 21 Þrimilcemōnaþ 2006 (UTC)

You must install some unicode fonts first. --222.94.41.48 15:24, 9 Sēremōnaþ 2006 (UTC)

any ideas which fonts? 80.60.24.117 19:36, 31 Mǣdmōnaþ 2006 (UTC)

[ādihtan] how do you pronounce 'wicipǣdia'?

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Rufly "Week-ee-pad-ee-ah"

How's about IPA /wiki'pædia/?

[ādihtan] Curious

I'm not trying to be a dick, but why is there an Old English Wikipedia? Is it the same kind of reason as a Latin Wikipedia? Please don't get me wrong, I admire all you guys for your hard work, I'm just curious why.205.201.71.136 02:08, 30 Wēodmōnaþ 2006 (UTC) i agree. it's the same with the esperanto one. you might as well put one up with klingon!

Sounds like a plan...since there's already one. Here. BoLingua

I've actually been planning on reviving Old English as a family language, once I start having kids (I'm 25 as of this writing). So it will indeed be used again. Ƿōdenhelm 03:11, 7 Se Æfterra Gēola 2008 (UTC)

[ādihtan] Why

These Wikipedias are a good idea for students. On the other hand, they must needs all come with a footnote, which arises from common sense: they are all written by students, of whom none speaks the language natively. Only through intense collaboration from intelligent people will these projects amount to anything. But we already have that on Wikipedia. --69.244.123.182 04:51, 10 Winterfylleþ 2006 (UTC) en:VKokielov

I would recommend freely borrowing from, say, Icelandic. --69.244.123.182 04:16, 19 Gēolmōnaþ 2006 (UTC)

I know a few people now who have started to learn Englisc with the intention of conversing in it, so who knows maybe in a few years we will see an Englisc sprǣc gemot?

[ādihtan] numerals

In OE literature I've seen, numbers are shown in Roman rather than Arabic, and I wonder if this is correct.

Well that's just simply a method of denoting numbers... not a part of a language. Both 4 and iiij are spoken as "fēower." Ƿōdenhelm 08:24, 15 Solmōnaþ 2008 (UTC)

[ādihtan] Wikimedia Commons

Design of commons:Hēafodsīde was updated. But some words and text now at English. Please translate it. ~ putnik 06:01, 22 Ēastermōnaþ 2007 (UTC)

[ādihtan] == Great work ==

Great work, this Anglo-Saxon wikipedia. I think it's funny to see there are a lot of similarities to my native language Frisian.
Keep up doing the good work
(SK-luuut on various wikipedia's).

[ādihtan] Wow!

Weird, how many strange languages, even dead ones, that have their own wikipedia. Quite impressive. Although, I wonder, isn`t it a problem when it comes to modern inventions and things that didn`t exist in the time the language was alive? Like for instance cars, the telephone, electricity etc. etc.? (Oddeivind on other wikipedias)

[ādihtan] Hwæt is þæs Englisce word for "Frisian"?

I see three variants of "Frisian" on this Wikipedia. On the front page is a link to "Westerne Frisigisc". On the article West-germanisc, it's called "Frisisc", but Frisisc is a redirect to Fresisc sprǣc, wherein the language is referred to as both "Frisisc" and "Fresisc". This is very confusing. Are any one of these correct, or at least most correct? I'm very curious about what Englisc for "Frisian" is.

I hope I didn't butcher my Englisc, by the way. 65.125.101.36 06:42, 19 Wēodmōnaþ 2007 (UTC)

[ādihtan] Main page

The main page seems a bit of a mess can be clean it up? Ea of dune

[ādihtan] PixelBot

Status has been granted by META here. --PixelBot 23:29, 11 Se Æfterra Gēola 2008 (UTC)

[ādihtan] Harrogate

Man wrat: Undrēfed wīcinga hord of þǣm tēoðan gēarhundrede is gefunden nēah þǣm tūne Harrogæte in Englalande. Ac þæt name Harrogate rihte wearþ of Ealrnorþisc (Old Norse) "hǫrg-gata" þe in Niwenglisce segþ "cairn road". Anthony Appleyard 16:57, 1 Hrēþmōnaþ 2008 (UTC)

Scule hit Horrġeat bēon? —Ƿōdenhelm 08:04, 2 Hrēþmōnaþ 2008 (UTC)

[ādihtan] Fuþorc brūcendas

Iċ macode sprǣċtemplate for Fuþorce brūcendas, man mæġ hit hēr sēon.

—Ƿōdenhelm 05:11, 3 Hrēþmōnaþ 2008 (UTC) (lol iċ forġeat tō mearcienne mīn ġewrit)