Talk:𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉

𐌰𐍄 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐌹𐍀𐌴𐌳𐌾𐌰, 𐍃𐍉 𐍆𐍂𐌹𐌾𐍉 𐌴𐌲𐌺𐌴𐌹𐌺𐌻𐍉𐍀𐌴𐌳𐌾𐌰

Contents 1 Installing the fonts 2 Numeral policy 3 Raison d'être 4 Gothic Keyboard 5 Gothic? 6 Counting the articles 7 latin/gotic 8 wikipedia 9 I've never installed a language pack before. 10 broken interwiki link 11 Unicode again 12 Bot status for PipepBot 13 Bot bit request SieBot 14 BotMultichill 15 Discarding the Gothic Alphabet? 16 AlleborgoBot 17 Bot Status for Purbo_T 18 Request bot flag for Alexbot

[edit] Installing the fonts

Great, you have to download and install the fonts. I did so for two of the fonts ... and then what? I cannot see anything but empty rectangles, yet. I tried with Opera, Firefox and Maxthon (IE) - neither of them works (all have been restarted before trying).

So what exactly does one have to do to read these pages? Please write to nibble.of.byte at gmail dot com.

In Windows 2000 / XP: Go to Start>Run, type regedit.exe, navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\LanguagePack" right click in the right part of the window, New>DWORD (or similar). Name the DWORD "SURROGATE" (without the quotes) and double click it and enter 2 as new value. Restart Windows. If a Gothic font is installed, Gothic should now work for most applications (if Internet Explorer doesn't work, try Mozilla Firefox, that works for me). To test, try copying some gothic text to notepad and setting the font to a Gothic font.

Hi I tried this and it doesn't work... any hints? (Running Windows XP) 198.54.202.242 12:51, 10 July 2005 (UTC) (Servien)

I've tried this too, but to no avail!!! :((( --84.114.144.54 12:58, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

In Linux, Surrogate Characters (used to write Gothic, 2 digital characters form one glyph) should work out of the box, and installing a Gothic font to ~/.fonts should do the trick, at least in GNOME / KDE distro's.

In Mac OS X, Surrogate Characters should just work, after installing a Gothic font.

In older versions of Windows, I have no idea, perhaps it is not possible because of bad Unicode support...

Harðor 12:05, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I'm still unable to see Gothic, but now I know why: I am using Windows 98!

--84.160.254.145 06:41, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Some people say they have made them work on Windows 9x [1]. I got a copy of the latest USP10.DLL and installed it but surrogates still don't work for me. It could be because other DLLs are required, recent DLL versions are flagged to disable the feature on Windows 9x, or the registry needs to be edited. It'd be helpful to see the discussion from the Unicode mailing list, but the archives are closed. G0th007

They now (after installing the latest version of USP10.dll) work on my Windows 98 computer, but only in Wordpad.--84.160.216.231 14:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

You're right, it works in Wordpad. This means somebody could make a browser plugin or Firefox extension to make surrogates work in Win9x if they could figure out what API issues are stopping them working with other programs. G0th007

Hello, I found a intermediate way to read the texts with firefox : instead of using UTF-8, I use ISO-8859-1 (Occidental). That meens that instead of having 𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌼𐌱𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌰 for "fruma maimbrana", you have 𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌼𐌱𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌰, which you can read with the appropriate "codec" :

𐌰 -> a/1 ; 𐌱 -> b/2 ; 𐌲 -> g/3 ; 𐌳 -> d/4 ; 𐌴 -> e/5 ; 𐌵 -> q/6 ; 𐌶 -> z/7 ;
𐌷 -> h/8 ; 𐌸 -> þ/9 ; 𐌹 -> i/10 ; 𐌺 -> k/20 ; 𐌻 -> l/30 ; 𐌼 -> m/40 ; 𐌽 -> n/50 ;
𐌾 -> j/60 ; 𐌿 -> u/70 ; 𐍀 -> p/80 ; ð -> 90 ; 𐍂 -> r/100 ; 𐍃 -> s/200 ; 𐍄 -> t/300 ;
𐍅 -> w/400 ; 𐍆 -> f/500 ; 𐍇 -> x/600 ; 𐍈 -> ƕ/700 ; 𐍉 -> o/800 ; 𐍊 -> 900

-- Sajasazi 18:21, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

On Mac OS X Leopard the fonts are broken. HenryLi 23:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

How so? Jacques Pirat 12:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Numeral policy

How should we handle numbers? At the moment, I use the Gothic glyphs representing the numbers (eg. 𐌴 = 5) but underlined and bold, like 𐌴 for 5 or 5th. What should be the policy for this? Roman, Western or Gothic numerals, and if Gothic numerals, how to put them apart from normal text to increase readability?

Harðor 12:05, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Hails Harðor,

I think it is best to use Gothic numerals. I suggest using the Greek numeral sign after every single one. 𐌴ʹ for example is 5.

Hails Harðor jah "Anonymu",

I think the best way to imitate the Gothic numeral system is to use Gothic glyphs underlined and with two numeral signs, as ʹ𐌴ʹ.--Meljands 18:09, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I thought middle dots (U+00B7 MIDDLE DOT) are used for numbers, for example "·𐌴·" and "·𐌺𐌴·". +Hexagon1 ^(t) _{𐌷𐌴𐌺𐍃𐌰𐌲𐍉𐌽 ·𐌰·} 13:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Raison d'être

why was this wiki set up. there is no one working on it and no community. the people who argued to get it weren't prepared to actually do any work on it, they thought someone else would write an encyclopedia for them!

Oh shut up you stupid git

Well you have to admit he has a point. No one is working on this Wikipedia....

Hey, I am! 𐌼𐌰𐍂𐌽𐌰𐌽𐌴𐌻 17:27, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Bollocks you are! Look at his contributions everyone! lol

[edit] Gothic Keyboard

I've written a little piece of JavaScript to help out with typing in the Gothic alphabet: http://marnanel.org/gothic . Let me know if you find it useful. 𐌼𐌰𐍂𐌽𐌰𐌽𐌴𐌻 00:56, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I have tried your program and I find it really useful! It makes workng on the Gothic Wikipedia much easier.--84.160.210.57 15:33, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

If you're on Windows 2k or XP, you want to use this.

𐍄𐌷𐌰𐍄 𐌹𐍃 𐍈𐌴𐍂𐍅 𐌽𐌹𐌸𐌴. However, the character 𐌹̈ (𐌹 with two dots above) is missing. Could you modify your applet so that shift+i produces U+10339 U+0308? 88.68.216.157 00:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what you've been doing programming the gothic fonts. Further you don't seem to recognize gothic written diskussion (see "atta unsar - diskussion"). Fact is that your mutations cannot be seen in history by all users and that not only I but also other users mutating an article are not able to save the mutated text with the given script font - although it is correctly to be seen before saving. W. B. 7.9.2005

[edit] Gothic?

Howcome nobody's conversing in Gothic here? I expected to fing a thriving community of fluent Gothic speakers here. Was this encyclopedia just set up because some goths thought it would be cool to have their own Wikipedia?

There's isn't many people who knows Gothic here. I think we're 4 to speak a bit and editing more than one time, and only one of us four speaks Gothic enough to discuss in Gothic -- Sajasazi 11:58, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Counting the articles

Possibly, we should count a Gothic alphabet article and its Latin transliteration as one article, not two ones? The text in both of the articles is expected to be the same, only the alphabets used are different... Besides, I hope that Gothic Wikipedia will sooner or later get an automatic convertor from one graphic system to another (as in Chinese Wikipedia, where one can choose options for showing hieroglyphs either traditional or simplified), and in that case there will no longer be necessary to write separate articles in each of the alphabets. -- Alexander Gerashchenko 15:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I think there is no good reason to be writing separate articles for each of the alphabets or writing the same thing twice, especially as the two copies will never be in sync. It should be easy to have an automatic transliterator like with the Chinese Wikipedia's Traditional <---> Simplified system, but someone who knows how to and has the access has to do it has to be found. There must be a place on meta.wikipedia.org to ask for help with this one. Addendum - Gothic runes should be supported too though it appears one minor letter is missing from unicode. G0th007

I'd suggest e-mailing the wikitech-l mailing list, which the developers frequent. – Minh Nguyễn / Nguyễn Xuân Minh 04:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] latin/gotic

Shouldn't the latin alphabet/gotic alphabet versions be handled trough automatic conversion, like in sr: and zh: ?

Sure, but how ? -- Sajasazi 14:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I've contacted the Chinese Wikipedia to ask. +Hexagon1 ^(t) _{𐌷𐌴𐌺𐍃𐌰𐌲𐍉𐌽 ·𐌰·} 12:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've messaged the person here, but he's not replying. +Hexagon1 ^(t) _{𐌷𐌴𐌺𐍃𐌰𐌲𐍉𐌽 ·𐌰·} 12:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, have just seen this after I finished below.

My suggestion was to add a tab ┌ Gothic ┐ that calls, if clicked, the whole page again preprocessed by an algorhitm that could look as follows:

   latin->gothic (text)
     ∀ text[char]  c
       (c=('<','&')) ⇒   !convert
       (c=('>',';')) ⇒   convert             { exclude HTML and &...;}
       ((convert) ∧ ('a'≤c≤'z' ∨ 'A'≤c≤'Z'))
         ⇒ print('𐌰'-'a'+lowercase(c))
         ⇏ print(c)

I think this one should work fine.

--𐍅𐌹𐍃𐍀𐌰𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌽 (𐌼𐌰𐌸𐌻𐌴𐌹) 11:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wikipedia

Hello, sorry for my english. Could you maybe please make an interwikilink from en:Wikipedia to your article about wikipedia, or create that article? Thanks a lot. effe iets anders 11:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I've never installed a language pack before.

Q: I need clear, step by step instructions. I'm on windows xp.

A: Well I cant find any (WORKING) language pack for this if you find one you can just drag and drop the TTF/file in the in the font file in control panel (MOST OF THE TIME) some times its a lot harder for XP users you put the ZIPPED file in a new folder in C:(Folder Name Here) and extract the files in the folder keep the zip file and go in your fonts file click file in the upper left corner and click install new font file and when a pop up comes up look for the file you have your font/TTF/File in the C:Drive in the lower box you should see it in the upper box click on it and install it i should be working know if not find a simpler one to use or check if it has instructions.

PS: I fixed the Grammar in your Question to avoid if there is mods MODS FURY.

[edit] broken interwiki link

The link to the German wp should be de:Hauptseite, not de:Haupseite --217.83.116.48 22:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unicode again

No idea if this is a known problem, but searching in gothic doesn't work properly. I wasn't able to find out about where there exists a certain Lemma. Searching for 𐌳𐌰𐌽𐌰𐌼𐌰𐍂𐌺𐍃 returns no matches.

I can't help noticing that most subjects discussed here are installing unicode fonts and keyboard layout. I also can picture that entering the gothic wikipedia and seeing "?????? ???" in the first place would scare off most visitors. Wouldn't it be a better idea to have a latin version ("may be up to date") only while it is still half gothic half latin and let a script do conversions between latin and gothic for those who like it?

(Sorry if this was a revenant)

--𐍅𐌹𐍃𐍀𐌰𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌽 (𐌼𐌰𐌸𐌻𐌴𐌹) 09:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm already working on an automatic gothic <-> latin transcription, but it isn't done yet. -- Sajasazi 15:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, didn't know that. In heading latin/gothic i've tried myself on a simple latin->gothic (where I see no sense actually for gothic->latin) transcription algothithm. :) --𐍅𐌹𐍃𐍀𐌰𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌽 (𐌼𐌰𐌸𐌻𐌴𐌹) 15:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bot status for PipepBot

Hello! I ask for permission to run my interwiki bot PipepBot here, and to get a bot flag for it.

• Operator: it:User:Pipep
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• Have bot flag at: als, am, an, ar, az, bat-smg, be-x-old, bn, bs, ca, ceb, cs, cv, da, en, eo, et, fo, fur, fy, ga, hr, id, is, ka, ksh, la, lb, li, lv, mk, ml, nap, nds, nds-nl, nn, no, pms, roa-tara, ru-sib, scn, simple, sl, sr, sv, th, tl, uk, vec, zea
• Details: Interwiki using Pywikipediabot. It mostly runs manually assisted. May run automatically in some cases.

Thank you! --it:User:Pipep 06:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

See below. I support allowing this bot on this wiki as long as it doesn't mess up the Gothic like some other bots. Jacques Pirat

support, he can be trusted. --Ooswesthoesbes 09:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

PipepBot has now bot status. Thank you. it:User:Pipep 16:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bot bit request SieBot

Please give a bot bit to SieBot, so it will not flood your RC as it adds interwiki links using pywikipedia's interwiki.py. SieBot is active on 180 Wikipedias. See the user page of the bot for more details, or check a complete overview of its activities here. Cheers! Siebrand (talk) 23:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we only have admins here, not bureaucrats. There isn't anyone here with the permissions to give out bot flags. You'll have to go to m:Requests for permissions --Jacques Pirat 22:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

There is a vote at the Baurgs Brunna to allow Siebot through. I as a sysop support getting the flag. Jacques Pirat 20:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BotMultichill

Hi, i request a bot bit for BotMultichill.

• Botmaster : Multichill
• Bot's name : BotMultichill
• List of botflags on others wikipedias: about 100+ atm (see meta:User:Multichill for the current list)
• Purpose: Interwiki (pywikipedia)
• Technical details : BotMultichill is an interwiki bot starting at the Dutch wikipedia. The bot uses the pywikipedia framework and runs day and night in autonomous mode. Sometimes the bot will run in manual assisted mode to solve interwiki conflicts. Multichill 12:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discarding the Gothic Alphabet?

Should we not discard the gothic alphabet in order to increase the productivity on this Wikipedia? I find it kinda obstructive to read and complicated to write. The Anglo-Saxon Wikipedia is not written in runes either and flourushing!

Actually, we're waiting for someone to make it possible to write either in gothic or latin alphabet. It only needs some time. And thanks to sign your messages. -- Yadönapya 15:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

It isn't actually that hard to read if you chose the right font. I actually like the alphabet, and it's easier for me to write things in the Gothic keymap. The only real issue I've found with it is that the computer treats one letter as two characters rather than one, and you have to double backspace to erase words.

And Gothic isn't as popular as Anglo-Saxon nor as well reconstructed. There is a reason why we don't have a great flow of articles. Plus if you've ever used Rune fonts you'd see they display things terribly out of proportion, and it seems that most texts we've found are written in the Latin alphabet. --Jacques Pirat 01:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AlleborgoBot

Hi, i request a bot flag for AlleborgoBot

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Thanks --AlleborgoBot 15:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bot Status for Purbo_T

Hi, I'd like to ask for a bot flag for Purbo_T (contributions)

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Thank you! --Purodha Blissenbach 04:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request bot flag for Alexbot

I request the bot flag for Alexbot:

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Thank you--Alexsh 03:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)