Talk:National Lampoon's Animal House

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Contents 1 Leo Strauss 2 Jack Daniels 3 Plot Summary 4 Trivia Section 5 various DVD versions 6 {{fact}} tagging 7 Cultural References

[edit] Leo Strauss

Please stop adding the totally false bit about Leo Strauss and gay orgy toga parties in the trivia section, there is absolutely no reason for it since it isn't even thought to be true in the book used a reference. Even if it WERE a fact, it'd be totally irrelevant to this movie and the article. --GregRog 17:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

The quote about Leo Strauss should be looked upon as vandalism. Having checked page 62 of Leo Strauss and the Politics of American Empire, I can now report that the book reads, in relevant part:

...Cornell had been the site of a particularly ugly scandal involving sexual harrassment—of women. These acts had, however, been eclipsed by the persistent rumors of homosexual rites and rituals among the Straussians: of orgiastic toga parties and gay little reenactments of the Symposium. These rumors were enhanced by [Saul] Bellow's Ravelstein. Despite the recurrent rumors—even among Straussians and their sympathizers—I don't believe the toga parties. [emphasis added]

Thus the editor who has been adding the paragraph on Leo Strauss is wrong on several counts. They were rumors, and the book suggests no connection—as in none—to Animal House. I'm sorry, but I cannot believe that adding this paragraph was a good-faith error, since the text of the book by Norton, as we can see by the quoted excerpt above, supports the paragraph not at all. Hydriotaphia 19:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

• As one among many who have been in a revert "skirmish" with that one guy, it is clear he won't discuss it, he just keeps adding it back. That adds up to point-of-view pushing, at the very least. Wahkeenah 18:24, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, I'm not sure what Jacrosse's terse edit summary—"This is not vandalism - the toga party is more then enough closely associated with Animal House in the popular consciousness that a connection can be inferred"—means. What "connection" is referred to here? A connection between the Straussians and Animal House? I don't see one; please explain. Or a connection between the Straussians and toga parties? This connection belongs on the toga party article, not here. Again, please stop reverting without discussion. If you continue to do so, I shall request arbitration. Hydriotaphia 06:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

• I'm assuming you're directing your warning to the other guy, not me. :) I was thinking that, forgetting the controversial nature of the citation (which is what I assume is the agenda behind his continual pushing of it, despite his denial) it's a little like including a writeup about how filmstock is made, in an article about a specific film; it might be interesting in the article about filmstock, but not about a specific movie. In fact, he put it in the toga article also, where one can debate its factual merits, but at least that's the place for it, if anyplace. As I and others keep saying, and to which he won't respond, it has nothing to do with this movie specifically. Wahkeenah 13:26, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

• Oh yes, I'm talking to Jacrosse, not to you. I completely agree with your comments above. Hydriotaphia 15:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

• But is is great and I live with a bunch of Straussians and they do the toga party thing with me, so why not have Animal House take part too?

Right...--GregRog 20:07, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

If you haven't noticed I've surrendered, but please let it stand on the Toga Party page those of you who have been after me there to.--Jacrosse 21:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Dude, this isn't a battle. It's not about "winning" or "surrendering"—it's about making a decent encyclopedia. I hope you'll continue to contribute, but please do it responsibly and defensibly. Hydriotaphia 02:20, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Du-ude, I was just saying so with a little literary license, and I have every intention of remaining a part of the Wikipedia community.--Jacrosse 16:14, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Daniels

The Bloopers section contains a bullet that states; "So the story goes that Belushi actually chugged the bottle of Jack Daniels, which was actually full oif booze. Doubtful, since it would have killed him. I suspect it was iced tea." This is blatantly POV. Could someone rephrase?

[edit] Plot Summary

Are there any plans for someone to put in a proper plot summary? The one that's there only lists the characters and has nothing more. I'd do it myself but it's been too long since I last saw the movie to do it justice.--MythicFox 05:17, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Done. Clarityfiend 07:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Very well-written, thanks.--MythicFox 09:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Section

This article is far too long, we need to trim the trivia section. I started with the most unneeded ones. --Liface 23:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Removed some trivia that only has a weak connection to the movie: "After the film's release, the administration of Dartmouth College, in an attempt to clean up the reputation of the Greek system at their school, filed eight charges against one of the fraternities on campus, Phi Kappa Psi, now known as Panarchy [1]. The fraternity eventually won the case." Clarityfiend 06:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Got rid of second hand gossip: "Director John Landis has said that he heard that Animal House is both George W. Bush's and John Kerry's favorite movie. [2]" Wouldn't surprise me if it were true though. Clarityfiend 22:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Another one: *A dying urban legend states that the numbers of the houses in scenes are significant. For example, in the scene where Bluto uses a ladder to look at naked women, the number of the house is 763, which would stand for "GFC" or "Go Fuck Chicks." This idea has not been mentioned by any of the writers." Clarityfiend 16:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] various DVD versions

Some mention should be made of the music score changes made in the "Double Secret Probation" DVD.--Mike18xx 01:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I have the Double Secret Probation edition (Region 1) and the soundtrack music seems fine. Sam Cooke's Wonderful World is in place during the cafeteria sequence, as are the other songs from the original soundtrack. I think for some releases outside North America, the music was changed to some really bland sounding instrumentals. It was horrible; really ruined the mood, especially in the moments leading up to "Food fight!" I know for sure this happened on the Region 3 release, though I'm not sure if it was a Double Secret Probation edition. I've also seen mention of the alternate soundtrack on releases for Region 4. If there's a definitive, reputable source out there that documents these alternate releases, then the reference should be added. -Wisekwai 04:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{fact}} tagging

This article is littered with with unsourced claims. Anyone have some cites? L0b0t 14:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I've removed a few of the ones where we have no citations, and where I expect we aren't going to. The one about Belushi and the Jack Daniels, for one, has flip-flopped on a few occasions, so I find it useful to just straight-up remove the troublesome passages. SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I found an article for this first citation about it being the originator of gross-out comedies. An article on NPR's site mentions briefly that this was probably the case. J.D. 16:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural References

The 'The next day, Homer went to work in a toga' bit isn't from the episode where he goes to college. It's from the one where Marge is telling stories to the kids at the library, and near the end, Homer randomly mentions Animal House.