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[edit] Necklet

"Necklet" is a word used to describe a badge hung from a ribbon worn around the neck. See Legion of Honour (s. Insignia: "Commander - wears the badge on a necklet;"). I think it may be a word not usual in US-English usage. Greentubing 22:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Also see New Zealand Order of Merit, s. insignia. It probably is a word specific to British English usage, if it is unfamiliar to US English. I've pulled up the Oxford English Dictionary:

Necklet n. 1. a. A usually small or close-fitting necklace, neckband, or other ornamental item worn round the neck.

1641 H. OXINDEN Let. 22 Dec. in Oxindon Lett. (1607-42) (1933) 265 If hereafter you light upon a good penyworth in a necklet of about 10l price let mee know of it; the like of a ring. 1847 Times 31 May 12/4 (advt.) Pullen and Son are favoured with instructions..to sell by Auction..the elegant and costly stock of Jewellery..embracing splendid dress suites, necklets, and bracelets studded with precious stones, [etc.]. 1865 Morning Star 23 May, The Prince and Princess presented their god-daughter with a necklet. 1884 J. HAWTHORNE Prince Saroni's Wife V. 27 Her only ornaments were the necklet and bracelets of chased silver. 1908 E. F. BENSON Climber 128 There was a diamond necklace (necklet rather, for it was only an affair of twenty stones) that was a dream. 1955 Times 12 July 10/4 There is a certain new richness, too, in flower bracelets and necklets in which the dark and light-coloured stones are placed in two layers to give a somewhat three-dimensional effect. 1991 Independent 30 Nov. 29/2 V-shape Herringbone Necklets..jostle for space with knuckle-duster sized sovereign rings.

b. A small fur garment worn round the neck. Now rare.

2. A collar or belt for the neck. Obs.

IMO "necklet" sounds more natural than "neck order".

Greentubing 22:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

In response to the edits of 27 Jan. 06, my comment that "necklet" was "IMO... more natural", was a comment made in passing, which in retrospect I should not have made. However, it doesn't reduce the validity of what was said above and does not change the fact that the word is used as described. Here is more evidence to prove that the word "necklet" is used to describe what its described as a "neck order".

1. Websites--examples of the word "necklet" being used
   • Danish Embassy to USA--Order of the Dannebrog. "Grand Commanders wear the badge on a necklet..." [1]
   • International Napoleonic Society: "Dr. Délia Mata-Ciampoli, Vice-consul and attaché culturel of the Consulat de Miami, in accord with a decree signed by the French Prime Minister on the recommendation of the Minister of Education, bestowed the necklet of "Commandeur" of the Ordre des Palmes Académiques on Dr. Donald D. Horward..." [2] (picture second from left) ans also Louisiana State U.
   • (note: all URLS accessed 28 Jan. 06)
2. Searches (to be taken only as a rough indicator)
   1. Google

      necklet "order of" -wikipedia 826 hits

      "neck order" "order of" -wikipedia 323 hits

   2. Wikipedia search

      However the most interesting result appears when "necklet" is searched on Wikipedia itself. Of the 32 hits, 29 are for "Order of ..." (90%)

The Oxford English Dictionary (full unabridged version) has no entry for "neck order" or "neck-order" or "neckorder", but I think this is due to the highly specialised nature of this topic. The OED for "Order" mentions "He stands there in gloomy black doublet with the order of the golden fleece round his neck", which really is not relevant to this debate.

I am also aware that the internet can be used to prove anything. I just say this: What would happen if the article was at "Necklet" and "Neck Order" was continuously deleted?

I'm sure that "neck order" is used as well to describe the above and just as many internet links can be found for it. But that does not mean that "necklet" can be excluded.

I won't add the word in myself this time, becuase obviously there is some reason (which I have not been told yet) why the word is being taken out. I just hope its realised that "neck order" is not the only word used to describe badges worn around the neck suspended from a ribbon.

Greentubing 08:17, 28 January 2006 (UTC)