Wikipedia talk:New articles (New Zealand)
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On 21 Aug Simon said this: "adding to top makes sense since it pushes old entries down."
I agree, more or less, with that. But it makes it harder to see whether a particular page has already been added. I've just gone back over my last 6 weeks' contributions and would have taken much longer if they had all been in date order. I or someone else might feel inspired to list contributions from other people who don't list their own. That might be even harder if date order was used.
But maybe we can list the date first, ie just copy and paste straight from the contribution lists? Like this:
- 23 Jul 2004 (hist) Tory Channel (intro stub)
- 20 Jul 2004 (hist) Arena Manawatu (Introductory stub)
- 19 Jul 2004 (hist) Basin Reserve (Introductory stub for otherwise dead link)
- 12 Jul 2004 (hist) Rangitikei River (Introductory stub (at least 6 links leading to it) - plenty of scope for additional text)
- 6 Jul 2004 (hist) Anna Rowberry (Introductory stub)
- 6 Jul 2004 (hist) Katherine Harby-Williams (Introductory stub for otherwise dead link)
Well, that last one came to prominence as an Aussie, so she would go in a different section; but hey, I like it - much less time taken, and it does have the advantage of keeping new ones at the top. Robin Patterson 06:13, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Wellllll, maybe Robin. The heading for this is New Articles....., and is not Dates New Articles were posted, so the titles of articles should come first. (frinstance)
- Tory Channel (intro stub) 23 Jul 2004 (hist)
- Arena Manawatu (Introductory stub) 20 Jul 2004 (hist)
- It's much easier to read the article titles. Cheers Moriori 21:43, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)
I agree that this is a list of articles. But many lists of births or timeline events on WP have dates at the start of each item too, eg in "2004#September". And the article titles in my July list above are not "much" harder to read, only fractionally harder, because their starting points are precisely aligned for every date from 10th-31st of each month and just a step to the left for 1st-9th of each month (which disadvantage can be reduced if we add a hyphen or two before each such date!!!) and have the occasional very small sidestep between months whose abbreviations have noticeably different lengths in your display. Someone skimming through the titles to find something of interest - OR to see whether a known article is listed or not - will find it almost as easy as having the title start straight after the star. Take out the "(hist)", maybe shorten the comment so it doesn't roll over to clutter the start of the next line, and the result is not hard to skim for those purposes and it's very much easier to check whether an article whose date of creation you know is listed (so that you can add if it isn't - one of the better uses of whatever listing method we have):
- 23 Jul 2004 Tory Channel (intro stub)
- 20 Jul 2004 Arena Manawatu (Introductory stub)
- 19 Jul 2004 Basin Reserve (Introductory stub for otherwise dead link)
- 12 Jul 2004 Rangitikei River (Intro - plenty of scope for additional text)
- --6 Jul 2004 Anna Rowberry (Introductory stub)
- --2 Jul 2004 Maori seats (intro stub; specialists can create links to detailed pages.)
- --2 Jul 2004 Georgina Te Heuheu (Intro and cross ref to Wikipedia Maori)
- 23 Jun 2004 Paremata (Introductory stub)
- 22 Jun 2004 Kawarau River (intro stub (4 paras))
- 22 Jun 2004 Naseby, New Zealand (Introductory stub)
- 22 Jun 2004 Kaitangata, New Zealand (Introductory stub)
I look forward to responses from Moriori and Simon and a few others. Meantime, it stays alpha, with title at start. Er - we could have an alpha-order list and a separate date-order list!
- Robin Patterson 00:38, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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- Sorry Robin, you are having difficulty convincing me why it is logical to have an article headed Articles but then take the reader to a list of entries which do not start with the names of the new articles. Your July list may only be fractionally harder to read but that doesn't justify making something harder to read when it can simply be easier to read. Cheers Moriori 01:00, Sep 16, 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] A suggestion
It's only fair that I should do something to sort some of this mess out, since I'm largely responsible (due to the large number of South Island geography articles I've written lately). Why not arrange by both date and name? I don't mean two separate lists and doubling up the information; I mean like the following:
- New Articles, November 2004
- Albuquerque - Nov 3
- Anchovies - Nov 8
- Art nouveau - Nov 1
- Brou-haha - Nov 16
- ...
- New articles, October 2004
- Actinide series - Oct 17
- Austrian guitarists - Oct 4
- Botswana - Oct 8
- ...
That way you're only having to clamber through a month of (alphabetically arranged) entries. You could just as easily make it weekly rather than monthly if you prefer. It would also make it easier to archive a list of entries - drop anything, say, listed for six months into an archive file. Grutness 02:53, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- No, mate, if you are away for a while you have to clamber through several months to see if a particular article is listed. Stick to one alpha list; or maybe one per year; or maybe the software will soon deliver the promised automation. Robin Patterson 11:07, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] So long, Aussie cobbers!
I'm not surprised the Aussies seceded. There were "all" of four Aussie items, at least two of which were contributed by a Kiwi. Robin Patterson 11:07, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Kiwi stub
There is now a new template for New Zealand related stub articles. Just add {{kiwi-stub}} to the end of the articles and they'll go in their own separate folder. Grutness|hello? 
06:47, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC) - and since I did that, someone else has also added {{NZ-geo-stub}} for places! Grutness|hello? 12:28, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] "New" articles.
Okay guys, some of these new articles are seven month old. I think we have to get rid some of the older stuff. Say 3 months? SimonLyall 11:32, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
- I'd be happy if you purged everything over one month old, and did that regularly. What might be easier is to move the page to an archive at the beginning of each month and have a fresh page for that month.-gadfium 00:26, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
- Sounds fair to me. I'm willing to start the ball rolling in fact - unless there are any "don't!!!" calls in the next few days, I'll start moving the older stuff (say, 2004) into monthly archives. Grutness|hello? 06:38, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
- Perhaps keep 2 or 3 months worth live and a monthly archive older than that. So right now we would have March, April and May live. Alternativly just keep it at around (say) 50 articles and when we get over that archive another month. SimonLyall 09:19, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Done. I've left all the 2005 articles on the page, because there's not really enough to archive yet. Maybe it will be a case of one archive every few months (unless someone gets another manic Wiki attack like I did in November! :) Grutness...wha? 10:41, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
- Looks like a time to archive it again. Can someone who knows how to do it please do so. --Midnighttonight 03:42, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Anyone think New Images (New Zealand) could be useful?
I uploaded an image a few mins ago and it seems to me if other kiwi eds knew it existed, it might even be useful to someone. But unless they know...... Moriori 03:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
- Good idea. I think it's sufficient to have a new section of this page. I'll kick it off now.-gadfium 03:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] User:AlexNewArtBot - New Article Bot
Hi, I am in the trial runs of the User:AlexNewArtBot (see Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/AlexNewArtBot). The bot reads all the new articles for a day and puts suspected NZ-related articles into User:AlexNewArtBot/NZSearchResult, the articles are suppose to be manually put into the portal page and/or removed if irrelevant. Or whatever you want to do with them.
The list of rules are in User:AlexNewArtBot/NZ, there is also the log on the User:AlexNewArtBot/NZLog explaining the rules that sent an article to the search results (the log is cleared every day, so try to look into the history of the log). Please contact me if you are interested in the fine tuning of the rules
That is all. Any suggestions are welcome. Alex Bakharev 22:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Looks like a good idea. For ease of archiving the page I've moved it up a little higher to between the archives and categories. Grutness...wha? 00:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- OK. I could probably make it to put articles directly into your alphabet list, but better if it would be done manually, there are a significant number of false positives there Alex Bakharev 00:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
