Talk:Nguyễn
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Why is this name so common? According to the article, basically half of Vietnamese are Nguyens....--Menchi 11:13, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Nguyen is the best last name that anybody can have.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.136.141.229 (talk • contribs).
If you get in a fight with one of the Nguyens then you would have all of them against you only because they all stick together.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.136.141.229 (talk • contribs).
- Actually, not everyone with Nguyễn surname is related to each other. I don't think it's more than 1/10 of people with Nguyễn surname is related to each other, except they are Vietnamese!
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[edit] 阮
阮- how is this pronounced in its Chinese form?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chinoiserie (talk • contribs).
- Yun in Cantonese and Ruan in Mandrian and. --Menchi 05:00, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] New info on history of name
DHN, you've added some excellent information about the history of this name. Great work. Badagnani 20:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've been meaning to do it for a while now, but your editing gave me the impetus to do it. DHN 21:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
honestly, why is Van Nguyen there as a notable Nguyen? If we're going to put down drug smugglers on the page, we may as well put the whole damn country there
[edit] Removal of Notable Nguyen section
I propose that the "Notable Nguyen" section be removed from this article or severely pruned. Practically half of the country are Nguyen, and those who happen to have articles written about them on Wikipedia aren't really worth mentioning in the bigger scheme of things. I only see several names that are truly notable: Nguyen Dynasty, Nguyen Lords (same family), Nguyen Sinh Cung, Nguyen Van Thieu, Nguyen Huu Tho, Nguyen Cao Ky, and Nguyen Du. DHN 07:59, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have removed some of the fancruft from the list. I think only people of international and historical significance should be added. DHN 08:16, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm removing this section altogether, it's receiving too much "vanity entries" and is pointless. DHN 16:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps, List of notable Nguyen's deserves its own page. THe list of notable Pham's i short enough to keep it in itself.Amiaheroyet 05:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "most popular exclusively Asian family name"?
No way, that can't be. "Wong" must be the most common surname for Asians in North America for both historical and demogrpahic reasons. The Cantonese/southern Chinese are the most common Asian groups in the Americas, and "Wong" is their most common surname. Viet version of it is, of course, "Hoang". Le Anh-Huy 07:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Nguyen ranks 229, Kim is next at 233, Wong is ranked 459, Tran is ranked 476 and Wang is ranked >1000. Wang (Vuong) is much more common in China.[1][2]. DHN 13:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Stats like this are good to have. Surprising that someone should get the math wrong, given the demographics involved.
[edit] Audio file of name
I would like an audio file posted of the correct pronunciation and the most popular Americanized version. Is it like the "gwen" (like Gwen Steffani) or "when" (like "When does the train leave?"). --24.249.108.133 21:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- The audio of the correct pronunciation is already in the article. DHN 22:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- Fantastic! It wasn't there when I initially posted my request. So it is "gwen"! --Navstar 04:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Origin And Usage Section Needs Rework
I propose that the Origin and Usage Section get a bit of rework... The paragraph that begins "many events contributed to the name's prominence" seems to provide a lot of good information.. But is rather confusing to read... The first part of the paragraph talks about political/dynastic changes causing name changes... then came some mention of "awarding the surnames" which seems to imply a different subject... finally, there is mention of criminals changing names... My suggestion: change paragraph into 3 parts... 1 related to the change of dinasties... 2 related to the awarding of surnames (which seems to have little information) 3 related to the criminals part......
In the change of dynasties portion... I think the readability is currently poor.. probably needs some edit..
Also, are there other things that caused increases in usage of the name?
If no one objects, I will make the changes... But I would like some additional details that can be added...
Duy T. Nguyen 19:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Family Guy reference
There is a reference in the show Family Guy where the dog Brian pronounces the name "Nee-GOO-Yan," is there room for references to the name in popular culture? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.210.104.120 (talk) 16:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC).
- I wouldn't object, although these references aren't really worth mentioning, since any show that has a Vietnamese character is bound to have someone named Nguyen. DHN 20:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] So is it originally Chinese or not?
- People with this surname are most often associated with Vietnam. While some believe the surname is of Chinese origin[citation needed], written in Chinese as 阮—pronounced Ruǎn (Ruan) in Standard Mandarin and Yun (Yuen) in Cantonese (see Chinese surnames), others believe its origin is in Vietnam.
- [a few paragraphs later]
- Like many surnames in Vietnam and other Chinese-influenced cultures (including Korea and Japan), the name Nguyễn is of Chinese origin, and is shared with those in Chinese culture with the same surname.
Don't these statements directly contradict one other? One says that it might be either Chinese or Vietnamese, and the other one asserts that it is Chinese. - furrykef (Talk at me) 11:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- I removed the apparent contradiction. It was originally asserted to be Chinese, but an editor didn't think it was, and we couldn't find much info about the matter, so we just removed the Chinese reference. DHN 16:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Nguyễn is vietnamese surname, nobody can deny it. It is very difficult to know if it is originally chinese or not, because Vietnam in long old time used chinese writing as well. 84.19.57.254 01:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
