Talk:Night Watch (Russian novel)

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Contents 1 Move to Night Watch (novel) ? 2 Tiger-cub or Tigger 3 Twilight or Gloom? 4 English version 5 Looking for authors! 6 List of characters 7 Science Fiction? 8 Translation 9 A question 10 Tiber Cub 11 Zabulon vs Zavulon 12 Twilight vs Gloom, again 13 Gloom Details 14 Anton's Level

[edit] Move to Night Watch (novel) ?

This article is no longer about the russian novel, rather it is now about the English Translation, should this be moved/redirected to Night Watch (novel), i noticed that Day Watch and Dusk Watch have already been fixed but not this one? JavaByte 22:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tiger-cub or Tigger

I am aware that the current English Subtitled version of Night Watch calls Lena "Tiger-cub". While that's an accurate translation, it does not convey the original connotation of her name (Тигрёнок). Therefore, I am calling her "Tigger", which is the closest thing English language has to a proper connotation of her nickname. --Strannik 22:18, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Twilight or Gloom?

I think that Twilight is a better translation of сумрак, even though the English DVD subtitles used the word Gloom. Twilight just sounds much nicer in English - сумрак is supposed to sound magical and mysterious, and I think Twilight is a much better word for this purpose. If you prefer the official movie version, feel free to change it back, though, I won't mind. The rest of my changes were just corrections to grammar and spelling, such as forgotten "the"s and "a"s. -Lena

Personally, I think "Gloom" gives a more sinister, menacing quality to the concept. While "Twilight" is a more accurate translation, "Gloom" is closer to how Сумрак was portrayed in the books --Strannik 19:41, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Preferred translation appears to be Dusk Watch, though only the publishers can decide this when an English translation finally appears best to put both titles i feel, my source for the title Dusk Watch is the New York Daily news, it references Dusk Watch as the title of the 3rd Film (which will be shot in English) (Source: NY daily News [1]) and also JoBlo (the movie critic) [2] -JC(S1)

My version in english uses Twilight, however looking up the various words in english I think both words are goos with each having part of the meaning as used in the books. The idea of something which is obscured or hidden from sight is more closely associated with gloom in English. Some dictionaries will list Gloom as the deepest part of

twilight. Additionally it sounds better as a "thing to be summoned" to my (American English) ear. However there is a sort of dark, sinister or depressed connotation to gloom that twilight does not have, and which is not really present in the book. Personally given the way the movie was changed form the book in order to make a movie that glooom was the right choice for the movie and twilight the right choice for the book. But that is just my on personal taste in things. Dalf | Talk 00:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] English version

Not an edit, but a question, is there an Enlish version of a trilogy? Have the books been translated? If yes, where can i buy them? Lena

• I am sorry, Lena, but as of right now, the answer is "no". As of right now, an unnamed western publisher is holding negotiations with Sergey Lukyaninko, the author of the trilogy, but so far, nothing happened. If the movie is officially released in United States, it might change, so keep your fingers crossed. --Strannik 00:29, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• • Update: According to Sergey Lukyaninko, the english translations of the Watch trilogy will be published in United States by Miramax Books. Sorry, still no publishing dates. --Strannik 03:29, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• • There does exist an unofficial translation e-text by a Maureen S. O'Brien.

--Greed 10:43, 4 Mar 2006 (UTC)

• • • Night Watch has been released in the US. I just bought it the other day. I haven't seen the rest of the books though Dominic 19:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Looking for authors!

We're looking for people who have a very good knowledge of the movies Night Watch, Day Watch and the books they are based upon. We are a company working on a commercial website about this movie. Please write to nightwatch.site@googlemail.com Thanks!

• Any chance we can find out what the company in question is? I, for one, am not terribly eager to give out my personal information to a mysterious party with an e-mail address from a free service provider. --Strannik 03:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
  • We're PSM&W new media http://psmw-nm.de/ located in Frankfurt, Germany. Book and movie have already been released over here. We're looking for contributors with good background information for a project promoting the trilogy / DVD (as a freelance assignment / job) Thanks! 07:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of characters

Does it lists chars from first book only or from all four? In first case, Svetlana shouldn't be called Grand Sorceress, nor Kostya was the High Vampire by the end of NW. If the list is for chars of all Watches, it should also include Nadya, Edgar, Arina, Vitaly Rogoza, Alisher, Thomas Lermont and probably, even Merlin.

• Hey, I only gave them generic designations without mentioning their power levels. I have no idea why that was changed. That said, I think the character descriptions should describe the characters as they appeared in Night Watch book. The pages dealing with the Day Watch, Twilight Watch and Last Watch should cover their developments in each respective book. --Strannik 19:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

• And, btw, Kostya was a High Vampire by the end of Night Watch. He turned into a bat in the end of the first part, remember --Strannik 19:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Maybe, list even deserves being a separate article? --MaxSem^talk 08:17, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• In the first book, when Anton and Olga switch back their bodies, (part two, chapter four), Boris Ignatyevich is mentioned as Boris Ignatyevich Geser. Opinion? --Greed 10:56, 3 Mar 2006 (UTC)

Наши сознания держатся в чужих телах лишь благодаря энергии, затраченной Борисом Игнатьевичем... Гесером.

Does this mean that Geser is his surname? No, and no other mention of B. I. & Geser in the same sentence in all four books. Darth MaxSem ☠ 16:04, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, how could it be his (public) surname if Anton worked in NW for five years and didn't knew it? Darth MaxSem ☠ 16:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

• Geser is not a public surname. Sergey Lukyaninko said so in his old FAQ.--Strannik 19:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

• Geser is he's true name and Boris Ignatyevich is only official name.

• I shouldn't have began to debate with only an lousy .doc version of the book. Sorry. --Greed 00:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Science Fiction?

Why exactly are these books classified here as being science fiction? Modern fantasy would be far more apt. Heptapod 05:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Probably because some people have a problem differentiating between the two. Personally, I find it easy: monsters, magic - fantasy; advanced technology, spaceships, aliens - sci-fi. Crosses exist but are few. Chronolegion 15:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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I would say Fantasy/Horror personally, what is the publishers classification? i've had a look and been unable to find this information-JC(SC1)

[edit] Translation

According to the ISFDB page, Miramax-Weinstein is going to release an edition of Night Watch in July. I assume it will be a translation, but is this true? What exactly is going on? I am hoping I will be able to read the book without having to learn Russian :-). Golwengaud 22:25, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, definitely a tranlation, at least the American version of it (British version comes out earlier and has a diffrent cover. --]

Strannik 07:13, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

• The British version will be released on July, 6.

• • The american version is out Dominic 19:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A question

I have a question. I saw the movie and never got the chance to read the book, because I keep traveling around. I think I have finnaly settled in U.S.A. and as soon as the book is published in English I will read it. So, is the book better then the movie?

Я имею вопрос. Что лучше: книга или кино?

The book is MUCH better. Almost nobody of those who have read the book like the movie. MaxSem 15:36, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I must concur. A book is definitely superior to the movie. --Strannik 17:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

That's almost always the case due to the fact that it is very difficult to properly turn a piece of literature into film. Certain imagery gets inevitably lost, and movie directors usually have certain requirements (i.e. appeal to the viewing audience). Unfortunately, because the directors usually want to get everybody to watch the movie, they will usually remove things they feel only a book fan will understand. Chronolegion 15:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tiber Cub

I don't think Tiget Cub's fate should be mentioned in this article, as it has nothing to do with the first novel. There is an article for the Day Watch novel, where this is mentioned. Chronolegion 15:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zabulon vs Zavulon

While the movie used "Zavulon", the English translation of the book used "Zabulon." On his blog, Lukyaninko said that he regarded the latter as the proper translation, as it was the English version of the name of the original inspiration behind the character's name. We should probably change it accordingly--Strannik 19:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I was not aware of that. I don't object to the name change, then. However, I think "Zavulon" should also be included, so as not to confuse anyone. Chronolegion 19:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

No prob. I'm going to look through blog archives and add the entry in question to sources--Strannik 18:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Twilight vs Gloom, again

I just read the translated version of the novel I bought in New Zealand, and the Gloom is refered to as the twilight. Has it been translated differently in other parts of the world? Should the article refelect this difference? Sabine's Sunbird talk 01:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gloom Details

Should the article only include Gloom information that is present in the first book (e.g. the exact number of levels, what the 7th level really is, who was the "ghost")? Chronolegion 11:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

+1, i also don't think the article should contain storyline elements from the following books as these have articles of their own JavaByte 21:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, someone seems to have added the entire information on Gloom from all books here. Thanks a bunch! Now who's gonna want to read the last book? Could someone, at least, put a "spoilers" tag on that or something? Chronolegion 11:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anton's Level

I believe the information regarding Anton's exposure to "Fuaran" should be cut from the article. This belongs in the third book's article, not here. Chronolegion 15:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)