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Noel Gallagher is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article Milestones below to see why the nomination failed. For older candidates, please check the archive.

Article Milestones Date Process Result October 28, 2004 Featured article candidate Not promoted November 16, 2004 Featured article candidate Not promoted November 17, 2004 Peer review Reviewed April 22, 2005 Featured article candidate Not promoted February 11, 2006 Good article nominee Not listed February 12, 2006 Featured article candidate Not promoted August 17, 2006 Featured article candidate Not promoted Current Status: Former featured article candidate

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Contents 1 Old style debate 2 EDITED 3 Neutrality disputed 4 Building Company 5 Edited 6 Moved from top 7 neutrality 8 Featured Music Project evaluation 9 Elder statesman 10 BELU 11 New Images 12 Footnotes 13 Good Article renomination 14 Mention 15 legend!!!!!!!!

[edit] Old style debate

This article is a candidate for a featured article, so I'd like to point out some serious deficiencies in the writing style. Taking the first section, "Biography" (and excluding a number of spelling, punctuation and capitalization issues -- note songs should be in quotes, albums in italics, and "90's" should have no apostrophe):

[edit] EDITED

The Gallagher brothers grew up in the suburb of Burnage. - Liam should be introduced in this section before he is referred to

Noel first began to teach himself to play guitar at the age of 13... after receiving six months' probation for robbing a cornershop. - Make two sentences, or explain how the probation was a cause/effect of teaching himself to play guitar

,Both Liam and Noel were regular truants and no strangers to the local constabulary in their teens. "no strangers to the local constabulary" is too informal and imprecise -- it is implying something unstated, and encyclopedia articles do not imply, they tell

Still too informal. "no strangers to the local constabulary" still means more than it says. Does it really mean that the boys had met all/many/some number of local police officers? Did they have some kind of special relationship with the cops that arrested Noel? All it likely means is that they were regularly cited for something presumably, truancy, by local police, but never got in serious trouble until Noel's arrest. If this is meant, say it.

In April 1984, Peggy took her three boys and left Tommy who is an alcoholic known for his violent mood swings. It isn't immediately obvious who Tommy is. Refer to him as "her husband" (assuming that's true) or something similar. The third boy's existence is not yet explained -- who is he? older or younger? name? "known for his violent mood swings" sounds like he's famous for them -- this is implying that she left because he is an alcoholic with violent mood swings. If that's why she left, say that she left because he is an alcoholic with violent mood swings.

Much of the late 1980's found Noel unemployed and living in a bedsit splitting his time between drugs, songwriting and devising plans to get within "Slapping distance" of Margaret Thatcher. 1) I assume bedsit is a Britishism; is there a way to say this without confusing anyone? 2) If Noel said he spent most of the late 80s devising plans to get within slapping distance of Thatcher, reference it and explain why he was upset with her.

In 1992, Noel returned to Manchester to find that his brother had formed a band, "Rain" (actually, Liam had joined the band in the hope of dragging along Noel "with his songs"). the parenthetical comment contradicts the first part. If there is an error, fix it.

No longer contradictory, but now just a very strangely-worded sentence.

The very first time Oasis played together they promised they were going to be the best, that they'd never settle for the dull thud of mediocrity, and they wasted little time in proving it. POV

From the very start, Noel's arrogant front resisted the security of the obvious, for example, they never sent a demo to a record company, rather waited for their host of classic songs to be send a record deal to them, which it did in the form of Creation Records' Alan McGee, who saw them at a club gig in Glasgow. Run-on sentence. What is "security of the obvious"?

Current version's taking the obvious, cliched route of most up-and-coming bands is POV. Sending demos to record companies is not "obvious" and "cliched", it's a vital component of the industry.

Thanks in no small part to Noel, Oasis went on to become one of the most popular and successful British acts ever. Noel is one of only a few band members, so it's obvious he played a non-small part. If his talents played a more significant part than the other members', explain how and who believes so.

His amazing catalouge of songs - written in the storehouses and the bedsits he had wanted to take a swipe at the Iron Lady for - provided the fuel for Oasis to blaze the way for British music in the 90's. 1) "amazing catalogue" is POV 2) what does the location he wrote songs in have to do with this? 3) what does the Iron Lady have to do with the storehouses and bedsits? 4) Who is the Iron Lady? 5) "fuel... to blaze the way" is POV 6) The last part ("provided... in the 90s") doesn't mean much -- is it implying that many/all/most post-Oasis British bands imitated/drew on/enjoyed/were influenced by Gallagher's songwriting? if so, say so and tell who believes it.

They are also attributed... Passive voice should be avoided.

:The first album to be named is Morning Glory, and even that is only named in reference to a party held after its success.

The last paragraph in this section contains a number of references to things Noel said. These should be referenced.

If my comments seem overly critical, I don't mean it that way. It's actually a good article (though there do seem to be a lot of typos). That these stylistic errors are the biggest problems shows that there are no significant deficits to complain about. Still, it's not yet up to featured status. (A couple of issues noted above concern Thatcher. While any in depth description of Thatcher's policies and critics should be in her article, this article needs to be understandable on its own, even for someone who has never heard of her.) Tuf-Kat 20:50, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

Good job. Recent edits are an improvement! Tuf-Kat

Changed everything I knew how to change, if you can think of a way of changing anything I haven't changed, by all mean do it. Seems up to scratch, I'm very happy with it.--Crestville 13:43, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Fantastic job. - Big Billy V

Just letting you people know, the guitar in the picture is def. not an epiphone casino, looks like a gibson les paul to me. - DJ

Sorry, yeah, he changed it.--Crestville 14:02, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Neutrality disputed

My justification for the NPOV tag is here pasted from FAC: Extremely biased, containing many personal assertions such as "Gallagher's bravado certainly warrants merit considering the commercial and critical success of Oasis", "which reveals his lonely, paranoid state", "the fiasco of Be Here Now", "Noel's arrogant front", "The arguments seem to pit Noel's calm, complacent wit, logic and canniness against Liam's arrogance, tendency to fly off the handle..."; the subject is constantly referred to by his first name. 119 21:12, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYeah, that's why I requested a peer review. However I don't think "Noel's arrogant front" and "The arguments seem to pit Noel's calm, complacent wit, logic and canniness against Liam's arrogance, tendency to fly off the handle..." are POV. He is arrogant and if you read the transcripts of the arguments, you will find that their arguments do pit Noel's calm, complacent wit, logic and canniness against Liam's arrogance and tendency to fly off the handle.--Crestville 21:15, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ah, hello. My name is Mr.... uh..Shnrub.... and I come from......Far Far Away (yes, that ought to do it). Anway, i think this article is the best article ever, and much better than the one about Liam and Robbie Williams and should be left alone for ever and ever. Yours etc. Lord Baden Powell Powell Powell Baden Shnrub (deceased)

Meg's surname Mathews is spelled with one "T". Which of course on the main page I put in italics. And I also spell checked for the main page. I also fixed some of the items that weren't italized like the title "Come Together". Wikipedia is supposed to be in our own words not cut and pastes from other articles. Noel and the rest of the boys deserve a page that is fair in its content and not a pro or con. It's an encylopedia, just the facts are needed.

Ironically, Liam's page is not disputed. Too many POV's are included on Noel's page and encylopedia's are not about point of view's, just facts. Also edited Lennon to The Beatles regarding the songs "Rain" and "Come Together" They are credited to Lennon/McCartney and have always been credited to Lennon/McCartney much like "Yesterday" has Lennon's name on the credit, even though he had nothing to do with it. All of the Beatles songs (with the exception of solo Harrison and Starkey compositions) are credited to Lennon/McCartney regardless of who really wrote it. Except on the album "Please Please Me" where the credits are McCartney/Lennon. And McCartney wanted to switch the credits to that on one of his recent solo albums. ALL non George/Ringo songs are credited under the Lennon/McCartney umbrella. Even "Give Peace a Chance" (solo John) is credited to Lennon-McCartney because McCartney played on The Beatles' "The Ballad of John & Yoko" (George and Ringo were not on that session).

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Under post Britpop, did the turn of the century "not bode well" for Gallagher [awkward terminology,] due to Bonehead's departure, or was he "unfased" [spelling?] as the next sentence states -- either way, its incorrect.

[edit] Building Company

I thought Noel was working for British Gas and not his father's building company when he sustained the injury and worked in the store room. Can anyone shed further light on this?

I thought so too. It would be in Paul Gallagher's "Brothers" book. It's a shame that Noel doesn't have a proper Wikipedia entry.

What do you mean? This is a proper entry you cheeky get.--Crestville 22:23, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edited

Unless Noel Gallagher specifically mentioned the Johnny Depp film "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" it is only speculation to say that he had "fear and loathing" in his eyes as for the reason he went to Vegas after leaving a tour after having a fight with Liam.

Though I understand why you deleted it, Gallagher actually has sited the book (the film would not then have been released) as an influence behind his actions on the Definetely maybe dvd.--Crestville 22:16, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from top

Hello , thanks for your reply, also, sorry if I came across as being rude. You're right - I should have paid more attention to the wikipedia guidelines before getting on my high horse about this. I'm assuming that rules about this must vary, as we had different rules at many universities throughout the UK. I apologise for criticising your grammar!

[edit] neutrality

Any objections to me moving the pov sign? I'll give it a couple of days & if there are no objections I'll scrap it.--Crestville 22:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Music Project evaluation

Noel Gallagher has been evaluated according to the Featured Music Project criteria, most recently affirmed as of this revision. The article's most important issues are listed below. Since this evaluation, the article may have been improved.

The following areas need work to meet the criteria: Comprehensiveness - Pictures - Audio - References - Discography - Format/Style

The space below is for limited discussion on this article's prospects as a featured article candidate. Please take conversations to the article talk page.

• Comprehensiveness: A section, or at least a paragraph or two somewhere, about musical and songwriting style, influences and legacy, some critical perceptions of his work (preferably both positive and negative)
• Pictures: Needs fair use rationales, and preferably a free pic
• Audio: Needs sound samples
• References: More inline cites would be nice, especially sales figures and chart rankings and stuff like "album did not live up to long-term expectations, and the public's goodwill towards Be Here Now was short-lived"; also, a print source that is not a biography would be a good addition
• Discography: should have a discography, preferably with a link to an Oasis discography with all the details
• Format/Style: Trivia and quotes sections need to go, turn "Controversy"into paragraphs, integrate and remove see also links
• Lead: Free pic would be nice
• Sales: Looks good

[edit] Elder statesman

I think whomever described Gallagher as an "elder statesman" needs to look up the definition; an elder statesman is generally one whose views are respected, while the context here seems clear that he is known for spouting off controversially whenever he feels the urge. --Saforrest 19:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I disagree entirely - though Gallagher is famous for slagging off other bands, his opinions on music and popular culture are well respected. He is repected for his ability to cut through the chaff and put complex point in simple, often humourous, ways and for his understanding of music and the music industry. That's why magazines likw NME describe him as an "wise man" or "elder Statesman". In fact, Q magazine described him as such only this month. If you feel there is a problem, perhaps you could change the context so that it is clear that he is famous for his outbursts but also deeply respected for his knowlege. --Crestville 20:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

What a pile of nonsense - the term elder statesman has been thrown at gallagher by a journalist. If you think he is deeply respected for his knowledge, you clearly haven't ever had any dealings with anyone in the music industry!

And neither has the music journalist? Please sign your comments--Crestville 16:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BELU

NOEL ES EL MAS CAPO....PERO LIAM NO SE QEDA ATRAS... LOS DOS SON DIBERTIDOS...CREO Q LA BANDA ES UNA DE LAS MEJORES.... QUISIERA SABER SI HAY ALGUIEN QUE HABLE CASTELLANO?

Que?--Crestville 23:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Images

I know their free or whatever, but these new images are poor. Anyway we can use the system to get some good picture. We need one from early, mid and late 90s.--Crestville 22:03, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

These images are poor, agreed. I've tried asking many photographers if It's possible to use their photographs, because the good quality ones require that bit. Most I can't find and others have to have some semi liscensed act. I'm getting rather frustrated with this. --Bang bang you're dead 23:00, 09 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't get worked up. It's not the end of the world. We might be able to use close-ups from album covers or at worst just be cheeky and swap them for ones we (who are connected to the topic, rather than just disinterested admins) like, but which are just semi-licenced. Chin up our lass.--Crestville 18:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah not to worried really, just havin a bit of fun now with it. Plus, with the summer here I've got time to argue with people I've never met before about photographs and the like. I never turn down an argument, no matter how pathetic the purpose.. Bang Bang you're Dead

[edit] Footnotes

Please fix the footnotes. Sandy 00:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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... me? Anyway. Made some small changes. Let's see where this thing goes. — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • 16:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article renomination

I see this article failed the Featured Article vote, but what does everyone think of renominating it as a Good Article candidate? WesleyDodds 21:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I tryed but they said no, and it was suggested I go straight to FA--Crestville 22:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

That's . . . odd. WesleyDodds 05:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

that's what i thought. by all means, re-nominate it if you think it will work--Crestville 16:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll renominate it once a few things are fixed up:

• The "Attitude" section should be after the personal history
• The Oasis section seems pretty heavy on the band as opposed to Noel's history regarding the band. Some of this material could even be used on the Oasis page.
• Some citations need to be provided, as noted.

Otherwise looking rather good. WesleyDodds 08:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mention

Anyone else see the mention of the Phil Collins paragraph on Gonzo? Bang Bang You're Dead 02:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

NO! What did he say?--Crestville 15:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I've just replied to you.. For anyone else, it's in one of the four parts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA61wnO_ci8 -- Bang Bang You're Dead 22:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I put a quote from the interview on the Phil Collins Feud paragraph but got deleted. Not sure why :(

I'll check for you.--Crestville 17:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I looked at the history and from what I can tell, your edit hasn't been removed. If its the one about him being bald, it's still in there.--Crestville 17:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, thankyou I was talking rubbish- hadn't refreshed my browser!

You're very welcome. I'll put a citation in for it so it doesn't get removed.--Crestville 17:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] legend!!!!!!!!

HE IS WB —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.129.27.134 (talk) 19:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

Noel Gallagher can go suck a fucking dick, this pussy talks about how hip hop sucks because of "hypocrisy" or because no one likes their shitey music any more, he should shut the fuck up. —The preceding comment was made by a cutty in Pittsburg, CA

I'm sure he appreciates your input. You definately didn't just help prove his point about hip-hop inspireing agression in its listeners.--Crestville 23:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey whatever he says and everybody else says, at the end of the the day life goes on with people like akon, eminem, snoop dog selling more records ,not oasis he should realize that before he talks shit.—The preceding comment was made by a cutty in Pittsburg, CA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by he should shut the fuck up. —The preceding comment was made by a cutty in Pittsburg, CA

Well, to be fair he has the right to free speech and can say what hhe likes and what he feels, and also Oasis are still massivley successful pretty much everywhere but America, though there last record did well there. And keep in mind, he's actually met people like 50 Cent and eminem--Crestville 23:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah but......to be exact if your not famous in america then your unkown to be brutaly honest, oasis got famous because from october 1995 to 1996 they were of the charts, and he must admit it`s gone, thats what reaches his agression on music and artists or just to get some damn publicty because as the world and I know Their last album was no good here or internationaly, to be straight forward mourning glory was their only succesful record: oh and ps if he had met 50 cent and eminem, he would of been sucking their dicks talking to them or else his ass would of been beat or WORSE.—The preceding comment was made by a cutty in Pittsburg, CA

That's a typical arrogant American view and very much incorrect. You talk a lot a bullshit.--Crestville 01:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC)