Talk:Opel Vectra
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[edit] Chevrolet Vectra
I would like to propose to carve out a separate article on the Chevrolet Vectra out of this one (it is currently a redirect). The rationale is that the nameplate, contrary to Vauxhall Vectra and Holden Vectra, has not only been used to denote rebaged Opel Vectras, but is also now used to denote a separate model derived from the Opel Astra C/H in Brazil and some other Latin American countries. This model obviously needs its own article, and it could also be a good place to explain the usage of the brand in Latin American countries (the generations were slightly shifted in time, and e.g. the Mexican market is different, as there the Vectra is still the Opel Vectra, now imported from Europe). Apart from the detailed discussion of the current Brazilian Chevrolet Vectra, the article would mostly consist of redirects to particular generations of Opel Vectras, not to create redundant content. How about that? Bravada, talk - 20:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- I second that. The current Brazilian Chevrolet Vectra is a unique model, no longer related to the Opel Vectra. --Pc13 20:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Forward-looking statements
One or more users have recently been repeatedly adding "information" on the possibility of the Vectra being imported to the US as a Saturn. I would like to explain why the inclusion of such information is improper in the encyclopedia.
First of all, please approach media reports with more criticism. Reports such as [1] try to make gossip and speculation appear as definite facts. Do also note how no GM executive appears under this statement under his or her actual name, which means GM does NOT officially confirm this, moreover, Forster diplomatically says that it is rather not true than the opposite. Automakers consider many different possibilities, and this generates gossip on which media thrive - would you want to read AutoNews or whatever if it only contained what you can find in manufacturer's press releases?
Secondly, this is an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia does not have to be on the cutting edge of news/gossip, it has to be 100% factually accurate. And the only 100% sure facts are the one that have already happened. In this case, the closest to that would be GM officially announcing it will import the Vectra as Saturn, and the only valid source for that would be media.gm.com. Media speculation can often prove untrue quite quickly, and is also often conflicting - if we included all the media speculation (also quoting "GM executives" and saying that it was "almost certain), then the Ford Freestyle article should have at one point included information that it will be cancelled, it won't, there will be a Mercury version alognside it, exclusively, or there will be no such version, and also that Mercury would be killed as a brand altogether (such reports were to be found in the media almost simultaneously, and had the same degree of reliability as the one repeatedly quoted in this article).
Please understand that Wikipedia is different from other sites you might be acquainted with, such as www.GMInsideNews.com, in that it is an encyclopedia. There are certain unique characteristics of an encyclopedia (even if it is an online free one which anybody can edit) - see WP:NOT for important examples (see section 1.9 especially). Regards, Bravada, talk - 09:57, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] inaccurate information about Vectra A diesel engines.
wikipedia stated:The only Diesel engine was an Isuzu 1.7 L unit, in both naturally-aspirated and turbocharged form, this one capable of achieving 82 PS (60 kW). . This is however not true. There were 2 diesel engines. There was one NA diesel from Opel (1.7D) with engine capacity of 1700ccm developing 42kw(57hp), and one turbo-diesel engine from Isuzu (1.7TD)with 1686ccm and 82hp. In 1992 the power of the NA( naturally-aspirated) Opel diesel (now 1.7dr) was raised to 60 hp.
Stefan Igor.
[edit] Comment left within article by 86.41.100.122 on 02:11, 17 February 2007
"(I speak from first hand experience of working with UK & Rep. of Ireland models) In some European countries, Vectra A models prior to the 1993 facelift were sold with a naturally aspirated, Opel-designed, 1.7 diesel (57 BHP), which was also available in the later Kadett E and early Astra F/A. This naturally aspirated engine remained available until the release of the Vectra B in 1995, although it became much less popular post-facelift due to the superior performance of the more powerful, turbocharged Isuzu diesel engine. The Isuzu 1.7 turbodiesel engine arrived in 1992, just a few months before the facelift of the Vectra A. Some 1992 pre-facelift Vectras featured the Isuzu engine. The naturally aspirated 1.7 Isuzu diesel was not available in the Vectra A, it was instead used in the Opel Combi van. The same Isuzu 1.7 TD was later used in the Vectra B up to 1997. (Replaced then by the 2.0 Opel Ecotec diesel.) It also remained in the Astra F/A until the release of Astra G/B in 1998. (In fact with the Astra F/A both the Isuzu 1.7 TD and a turbocharged version of the older 1.7 Opel diesel were available until the Astra facelift in 1995, with only the Isuzu TD continuing in the Astra F/A after the facelift.) In the Vectra B the air intake of the Isuzu 1.7 TD was slightly changed, so that the air filter was now located in the air intake box behind the right hand headlamp. Previously, with the Vectra A (and also the Astra F/A), the air filter of the Isuzu TD was located centrally, just above the rear of the engine. A smaller bore 1.5 litre turbo version of the Isuzu diesel was used in the Corsa B."
I've moved this comment from the main article to the talk page as all discussion should be on the talk page.
Bob f it 16:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
