Talk:OT VIII
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[edit] Summary?
Ariane Jackson's writeups from memory are the most respected summaries of OT VIII out there. Would anyone like to try summarising it from her writings? - David Gerard 11:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
- David, unless I'm very much mistaken, Jackson is talking about what the Church calls "New OT VIII",[1] and not about the level previously known as OT VIII, which is what the Fishman OT VIII is asserted to be. Jackson herself stated:
- "OT8 has totally changed and has none of the Fishman version. It is actually just a review of all of the person's auditing and a verification/nullification of discoveries the person has made about himself. It consists of ONE question (in two parts) repeated."[2]
- We have it both straight from the CoS, and from Jackson, that there is more than one OT VIII, but the article does not address the difference between "old" OT VIII and "New OT VIII". The syllogism that "Ex-members know what's in the real OT VIII; Ex-members don't recognize the material in the Fishman OT VIII; therefore the material in the Fishman OT VIII is not the real OT VIII" no longer holds together when there is more than one document that has been "the real OT VIII". I think we need to revise the article to reflect this. -- Antaeus Feldspar 19:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] FSSO
The article says that the only known Flag Ship Service Organization is the Sea Org. This is incorrect. The Flag Ship Service Organization (FSSO) is a Scientology Organization located aboard the Freewinds Motorvessel.
See: http://www.scientology.org/p_jpg/world/worldeng/21/fsso.htm
As an organization it is staffed my members of the Sea Org, as all Scientology Advanced Organizations are, but the terms "Flag Ship Service Organization" and "Sea Org" are not synonymous as the article implies.
It is also important to note the difference between FSO and FSSO. FSO is the Flag Ship Organization, also known as the Flag Land Base, or simply Flag, and is located in Clearwater, FL.
So, FSO = Flag = Building in Clearwater, while FSSO = Freewinds = Ship where OT8 and other courses are delivered. Both are staffed by SO members, but neither term is synonymous with the Sea Org (A Sea Org member posted at ASHO, for example, is not affiliated with either the FSO or the FSSO).
The article as it is currently written does a poor job of explaining what the FSSO really is.
Matt2053 01:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
