Talk:Parody
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[edit] The Simpsons
Surely there must be more references to the Simpsons. Their earlier series were almost completely filled with jokes and parodies of every popular movie of the last century! 80.47.238.123 20:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- adding endless examples doesn't benefit the example. A small sentence or two indicating that that is the case is acceptable, but putting in 40 or 50 examples of their paradoies would be out of place.--Crossmr 13:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Parodies in Movies
what about parody in movies songs etc...
True. Definition was biased towards literature, so I reworded it. --user:Heron
[edit] Visual Example
I am not sure that the "visual example" is entirely appropriate. Certainly we could come up with a better representation of a parodied image, if one is needed at all. --134.53.215.21 04:43, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- There are dozens of parodies of Grant Wood's "American Gothic"; if we can find a usable one of those, that would be an excellent example, I think. Jgm 12:20, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Seems to me that Marcel Duchamps's parody of the Mona Lisa would be a good choice for a discussion of visual parody. I've forgotten the title of it, but it's just letters that, when pronounced in French, sound like the French for "She's got a nice ass, doesn't she?" I remember the naughty meaning, rather than the letters, I'm afraid. Geogre 23:04, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- The Duchamps painiting is LHOOQ, and it would be a great example. You can see it at http://www.studiolo.org/Mona/MONA11.htm. Hickoryhillster 11:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Definition
The definition is incorrect, folks. "Parodia" cannot be broken apart. It isn't a compound. The OED entry on "parody" is highly disputed (see the article itself for information that the OED flat out misses). It traces to Greek drama and, in particular, to the Homeriedes, and it doesn't seem to have component parts. It's pretty much always "parodia." No doubt the word as it is used now is all over the road. It's now used as a synonymn for "mockery," but it is vital to keep the definition literary, because that's the origin of the term. The word has slowly slipped in reference to the point where it now refers to anything and everything. Geogre 01:16, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
haha heron is a dumb ass haha
[edit] Soap
Surely the series "Soap" should be included?
what about Parodies, the funny ones
- for example, Tozz, a Parody comic book, based on some bits over movies and other things
- i wanna do an article on Mortal kombat Parodies/flash animation but don't know what to call the heading of the article.
HELP PLEASE >x<ino 17:36, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Agreed about Soap; and added. Joncnunn 21:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Parody...
IS NOT a "form" of satire. They are two distinct (though similar) literary devices.
All "Taurus"es are Ford vehicles. Not all Ford vehicles are Tauruses. Not all Parodys are satire, and not all satires are parodys.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.96.55.172 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 7 April 2006.
- I think this is a very important point. Literary theorist Linda Hutcheon insists on this distinction within her influential book A Theory of Parody." I'm going to go ahead and change the first sentence.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hickoryhillster (talk • contribs) 21:45, 11 August 2006.
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- Oops--sorry for not signing that (and thanks for the reminder and for fixing it, Crossmr).Hickoryhillster 23:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Positive Parody/Negative Parody
Back then, I only saw the definition of the word parody as something being made fun of for just ridicule and stupidity, but when I saw Kappa Mikey and saw the word linked to here, that just now made me think of this. I believe that there are two types of parody in this case.
One is Positive parody, where they said "imitation is a form of flattery", where they imitate things for fun, as though people who do PP imitate what they like.
One the other hand, Negative parody is when they make fun of things for ridicule and derision. Just like in the newspapers the comics use NP to ridicule and bastardize people like President Bush or Adolf Hitler. So far, that is all I can think of in terms of different types of parodies. --Seishirou Sakurazuka 22:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Re: Lampoon
Just a question: why does the search term "lampoon" redirect here? A lampoon is an entirely different thing from a parody. —Saposcat 17:49, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Weird Al" Yankovic
I believe the sentence regarding Yankovic going to the Supreme court should be changed or removed. While Yankovic deserves a mention as one of the most successful parody creators, there is no available citation (that I was able to find) for Yankovic being taken to court, much less the Supreme Court. For one, in order to avoid such legal entanglements and to be polite, he always asks permission to parody songs. Apart from one case of miscommunication, this works well for him. (See "Weird Al" Yankovic.)
I believe the Supreme Court case that affirms Yankovic's right to parody without permission (if he so chose), is already mentioned as Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc. --AiYume 16:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Are parodies always funny?
I know sometimes songs may be sung with different lyrics - but is not always done with humor? Like, for example, a melody to a well-known rock tune may be sung with Christianized lyrics.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.117.18.6 (talk • contribs) 03:17, 15 July 2006.
- I don't believe that is a parody. --Crossmr 03:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think it depends on whose definition of parody you use. For Linda Hutcheon, ironic inversion, rather than humor per se, is key to the definition of parody--and, in the example, Christianized lyrics might very well ironically invert some themes commonly associated with rock, so it could be a parody. For another critic, Simon Denith, “Parody includes any cultural practice which provides a relatively polemical allusive imitation of another cultural production or practice” (Denith, 9)--so, there again, the rock song with the Christianized lyrics could be parody, but only if it's being used "polemically," to ridicule or criticize rock, Christianity or some other party. Some other definitions, including some dictionary definitions, would specifically require humor or ridicule; others, like Gennette's, might also require that a specific work, rather than the conventions of a whole genre, be imitated--in the latter case, you could have a parody by setting Christian lyrics to a specific rock song, but not by writing a new song with typical rock beats and Christian lyrics.Hickoryhillster 23:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Parody's legality in other countries
I think there needs to be a subsection in this article relating to the legality of parody artwork in countries other than the United States. After all Wikipedia isn't just for the United States, even though most articles consider it to be.
[edit] Pornography
Sorry, somebody had to say it. I'm not sure if it's technically a parody, but what about those millions of porno films which take the plots of real films, super-sex them up, and stick a joke of a name on it. You know, like "Edward Penishands". Here's a site talking about it: The 100 Worst Porn Movie Titles. And I promise thats not a link to porno. Robinoke 14:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
