Talk:Paul Bragg
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So how old was Paul Bragg when he passed away? How old is his daughter, Patricia? I really think age is a critical piece of information if you are touting longer life/better health claims. Also shouldn't Patricia Bragg have an entry too? She's now running the company and has published many books.
This article makes claims which are completely unverified. Citations are needed.
I have found that the majority of the statements on this page come from the official Bragg's website, specifically the biography page on Paul Bragg. Perhaps the site could be contacted to request verifiable data. --Caen 15:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, this article needs some serious cleaning up. Don't expect me to volunteer, though... 1 November 2006
Paul Bragg was 95 when he died. I have contacted bragg.com about this, and they gave me the following reply:
"Dear Mr. Ward, Thank you for your interest in Paul Bragg. You are correct, he died at age 95 due to complications from a body surfing accident in 1976. I hope this will clear up any confusion in your research.
Wishing you Health, Peace and Happiness Bragg Customer Service http://www.bragg.com"
Patricia has kept her age a secret; therefore her age could only be estimated very approximately. Were Paul Bragg (her father) alive today, he would be 126 this year. Assuming that Patricia would very likely have been born when Paul was between 20 and 40 years of age, this would put her age between 86 and 106. In my opinion she is most likely in her mid nineties. Malachi456 05:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Bragg was NOT the first, in many things
Sorry, but Ellen White and John Harvey Kellogg along with the Seventh-day Adventist church predated Paul Bragg. Kellogg was certainly known for marketing health foods through the mail as a way for his guests to bring the Sans experience home with them. Seventh-day Adventist's are known for operationg health food stores and restaurants. -- John Gohde 04:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bragg WAS the first, in many things
He was not the first to eat organic foods either, so what??!! Paul Bragg is synonomous with health food, health food stores, fasting, robust health and certainly bringing awareness to the world of the importance of diet and exercise. A man, any man surfing at 81-95 is unthinkable in this culture and in incredible health. From what I can tell the statements are truthful and accurate in the context given. Opening and operating the first health food store has nothing to do with mail-order, not seventh day adventists, not Kelloggs sanitarium, etc. Confusion and diffussion do not alter truth. I've read all health food literature and never had anyone claim but Bragg that they owned and operated the first health food store in America. Kellogg did not own and operate a health food store. As a matter of fact Bragg's legacy is not tainted as is Kelloggs, nor weighed down by religious zealotism.
One of Kellogg's(a seventh day adventist) "health" contributions regarding masturbation -- see his own biography on this site. "In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement."
[edit] Contrary to belief...
Paul Chappius Bragg was NOT born in "Virginia" in "1881", as he started claiming in his later years, but rather was born in Batesville, Indiana on Feb. 6, 1895 to Robert Elton Bragg & Caroline "Carrie" (Maiden Name: Chappius)Bragg, & had one older brother, James Elton Bragg (born in Indinapolis, Ind. in 1893) & a younger brother, Robert H. Bragg, born in Washington, D.C. in 1899.
And, contrary to his "Apple Cider Vinegar; Miracle Health System" book (pages 13, 14 & 15), he was NOT "raised on a large farm" nor is there any indication his father was ever "a splendid farmer"; rather the Bragg family moved to D.C. when Paul would have been around age 3, where they lived in apartment houses and his father worked as a "compositor" (typesetter) for the "GPO" (Government Printing Office) at least through 1920. You can find the Bragg family in D.C. by searching the on-line Federal Census Records for 1900, 1910 & 1920. In the 1900 one, Paul's age was given as "5"; in 1910, "15", & place of birth as "In diana" in both.
Sparky37Sparky37 22:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC) Sparky37 22:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] By the way....
although the current Wiki page on Messr.Bragg claims that the Paul Bragg (born 1895) of Palm Springs, CA on the SS Death Index & Paul Bragg, "the nutritionist" are different people, that is in error.
Per the latter's Florida Death Certificate (yes, he died there at South Shore Hospital in Miami Beach on 12/7/76), his SS # shown at Item 12 on his death certificate is 554-42-5580; & the Palm Springs' Paul Bragg's SS#, if you check, is exactly that same #.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sparky37 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC). Sparky37Sparky37 23:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Malachi: According...
to "Public Records", Patricia Bragg's birth year was 1936, making her 71 this year.
(Sparky37)
[edit] Hmmm...
I see the most recent poster on the Wiki PB site clearly NEEDS to believe. But I will admit, dying at "age 96" in an "unfortunate swimming accident" does make for a better Paul Bragg "story".
My personal take on Paul Bragg, after doing his genealogy dating back to his paternal great-grandfather (who, BTW, was NOT the famous Confederate General Braxton Bragg that Paul Bragg claimed in an interview in The Honolulu Star Bulletin of 8/24/1969..yet ANOTHER Paul Bragg fabrication) is that he was likely very charming & even likeable, but also somewhat of a compulsive liar. Unfortunately, he didn't foresee the day when one could go into almost any public library, at least in the U.S., & with a few keyboard clicks, bring up ancient documents belying his claims.
I'll go further & say I believe that Paul Bragg's most persistent claim. that of almost dying but being cured of a serious case of TB at age 16 by good food & sunlight & fresh air & whatever, was another MAJOR fabrication of his. His "numbers" just don't add up here, knowing what I know about him.
BTW, I have to wonder, even among "Believers", why has nobody come up with THE ADDRESS of that FIRST HEALTH FOOD STORE IN THE U.S. that Paul Bragg's Group claims, over & over again, he opened?? I find that most suspicious.
(sparky37) Sparky37 14:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Gee, what's a girl to do?
I keep putting the correct bio info on Paul c. Bragg on his Wiki page & someone keeps removing it. At least this person is now using Paul Bragg's correct date & place of death, which he obviously didn't know before I told him. He still apparently doesn't know Paul Bragg's (alleged) 1881 birth date/place, which shows- to-go how little he does know.
I even emailed The Bragg Group over a week ago (at same email address "Mr. Ward" graciously gave), offering to exchange my official documentation on Paul C, Bragg's background for theirs, & they have NOT responded. Something as basic as a copy of that 1881 Virginia birth certificate should do the trick. And they didn't even wish me "health & happiness" as they did "Mr. Ward". I guess they weren't expecting anyone to uncover the truth about Paul Bragg. Maybe they're mad at me?
Sparky37Sparky37 17:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sparky37 (talk • contribs) 16:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
Interesting problem here. Patricia Bragg would be under no illusion as to when her father was born. Perhaps she and her cohorts are continuing to proliferate lies about her father. Let us know if you get a response from the Bragg website about your query. Malachi456 10:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Oh, come now,
Malachi, do you really think that Bragg, et al would ever admit that Paul Bragg wasn't age 95 when he died? They have a lot invested in Paul Bragg's (alleged) longevity. At least lately, they say he died from "complications" from a surfing/swimming accident, whereas before, the "story" was that he died "IN" a surfing/swimming accident in Hawaii.
As to those "complications", according to the news story in the "Honolulu Advertiser" at his death in December of 1976, he was pulled unconcious from the water at Fort DeRussey. Honolulu, Hawaii in July of 1976 (4 months prior to his actual death), & a nurse on the scene managed to revive him.
Exactly WHY he went unconcious in the water on that July day in 1976 is unknown. He could have been "surfing", he could have been "swimming", he could have been doing nothing more than "wading" & been knocked over by a big wave. He could have first suffered a heart attack while in the water, that caused his "accident". All kinds of possibilities,not excluding the possibility that the "near-drowning incident" never happened in the first place.
Then, of course, he subsequently DID die in the hospital in Miami Beach, FL of a heart attack on 12/7/76 while in that city on a speaking engagement.
Over the subsequent 30 years, the stories/rumors merged & escalated, as it tended to do with almost anything concerning Paul Bragg, & the world ended up with a much more "dramatic" story of his rather mundane ultimate demise than was the truth.
Sparky37Sparky37 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sparky37 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] And yet some more...
documentation that belies Paul Bragg's alleged age at death are the six ship/airplane passenger manifests for him that were filed with the Dept. of Commerce in the 1930ties-1940ties & are now a matter of public record.
Just to give an idea:
1) Paul Bragg (age 38), Departure: NY, NY; Arrival: Los Angeles, CA 5/28/1933. Date of Birth: 2/6/1895; Place of Birth: Batesville, IND. Ship: "Santa Rosa".
2) Paul C. Bragg (36), Departure: Honolulu, HI; Arrival: Wilmington, CA, Jan. 22, 1932; Date of Birth: 2/6/1895; Place of Birth: Batesville, IND. Ship: "City of Los Angeles".
And there's 4 similiar entries for him, only with other traveling info., up through 1949.
Now how would we know that "Passenger, Paul C. Bragg" is the same person as "Health Guru, Paul C. Bragg", who claimed to have been born in the State of Virginia in 1881?
Easy. One other question asked of departing passengers back then was their U.S. address. "Passenger Paul C. Bragg" sometimes gave 4230 National Ave., Burbank, CA & sometimes 224 W. Front Street, Burbank, CA as his address.
Cross-referencing those addresses with the Burbank City Directories on file in the City of Burbank Public Library show that between the years 1937 through 1954, 4230 National Ave. was Paul Bragg's Burbank residence, while 224 W. Front Street was the business address of "Bragg Live Foods", which is still the name of the corporate entity now run by his successor(s).
Sparky37Sparky37 20:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
