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Contents 1 License tagging for Image:Bunky.png 2 Dates 3 re Hi 4 Hi 5 Hi 6 Welcomes 7 Welcomed by PEAR category 8 Date canonicalization 9 Welcome back 10 Goatse image 11 Toys for tots 12 Sex tourism 13 RE: Hi 14 Bohemian Club Members 15 Category:Bohemian Club members 16 Reliable sources 17 Trolling 18 Your edits to Ukrainian Canadian internment 19 Shadowbot error 20 Blocked for trolling

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Dates

Please stop changing dates to add ordinals, like "22nd" or "15th". There's no point to it, the software does that automatically when needed. --Golbez 06:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Because it does. When the software sees "[[September 22]]" or "[[22 September]]", depending on the settings used by the user, it automatically renders it as "September 22", "22 September", etc. so if on a British article it has "[[22 September]]", to me as an American it displays as "[[September 22]]". The ordinals aren't used, firstly due to the date format, and secondly because I think they break this automatic rendering. --Golbez 21:10, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

re Hi

Hello. Do I know you? --David Mestel^(Talk) 16:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Could you tell me what you are trying to achieve with this edit? It seems pointless, but maybe I have missed something? Thanks, Gwernol 16:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, it just seems that you could write a little more if you want to do that, since a brief "Hi" could easily cause confusion (see above, for example). Thanks, Gwernol 16:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I think a userspace template would be a great idea. Best, Gwernol 16:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for the welcome :-) Generic Character 18:50, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Ditto. dto 19:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcomes

It's usually a good idea to have some idea about the people you welcome, such as what edits they have and if they are blocked. You just welcomed an already indefinitely blocked sockpuppet of a persistant troll. --pgk^(talk) 19:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

It is also unusual to welcome IP addresses and certainly not in bulk as you seem to be doing. IPs are often dynamic so the message you leave may not be received by your intended target. --pgk^(talk) 19:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Well I think you're missing the point a bit, if we wanted we could get a bot to add that to every user page or add it to the MediaWiki text on page spaces, welcome messages are however supposed to be a bit more personal than that and added when you see someone making useful contribs but notice they haven't yet been welcomed. Of course you are welcome to do it, but it seems a waste of time to just blanketly do it, not to mention instances like above where you welcome those already blocked, long term vandals etc. etc. --pgk^(talk) 19:17, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcomed by PEAR category

Hey PEAR, I'm a little concerned about your category: Category:Welcomed by PEAR. I'm curious what you feel its purpose is. What use would others on Wikipedia get from this category? I suggest you take a look at WP:CG for some guidelines on categories. It is highly likely that this category may be removed unless you can justify its useful purpose for editors on Wikipedia. Metros232 19:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

If you go to the category page, edit it, and include this tag {{db-author}} it'll be speedy deleted (people will still be listed in the category until you clear their names out...but the rest of the category wouldn't exist). And I'm sorry you feel that you've had negative experiences with admins around here...I'm not an adminstrator myself, but I tend to like the admins around here. Metros232 20:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Date canonicalization

What's the point? It's just harder to read for those who are unsure whether you meant it to be YMD or YDM format, and it's ugly.

--PEAR 16:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

There's a lot of point. First of all, your edits disabled date preferences by putting them in a non-standard format, whereas I re-enabled date preferences. If you have date preferences enabled, you will see August 13, 2006, or whichever format you prefer, even if the text says 2006-08-13. Second, in my opinion, YYYY-MM-DD is beautiful, and Month-Day-Year is ugly. No one will think YYYY-MM-DD means YYYY-DD-MM - nobody uses that - but a lot of people would mistake numeric MM-DD-YYYY for DD-MM-YYYY. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-08-13 22:54Z

Welcome back

I see you've decided to return. I've deleted the shock images you uploaded; they add nothing to the article and, in essence, turn our article on shock sites into a shock site itself. --Golbez 07:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

We can link to the pictures but there's no reason to host them, especially when you didn't give source information. --Golbez 07:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Goatse image

Consensus on the article's talk page indicates it should be linked to, not displayed in the article. Please take a look at that. Thank you. —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 09:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright. --PEAR 20:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Toys for tots

Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! You recently added an external link to an internet forum in an article. It has been removed because the link pointed to a non-encyclopedic source. Please refer to Wikipedia's policy on external links for more information. --Veinor (ヴエノル(talk)) 04:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Sex tourism

You recently added an external link to an internet forum in an article. It has been removed because the link pointed to a non-encyclopedic source. Please refer to Wikipedia's policy on external links for more information. You have been warned. --Veinor (ヴエノル(talk)) 04:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

WTF? --PEAR 04:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

You spammed a link to forums. This is not allowed under WP:EL. Veinor (ヴエノル^(talk)) 04:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh *shocked*. --PEAR 04:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 23:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Hi

I could have been mistaken (my apologies if I was), it was a recent edit to George H. W. Bush. By the way no need to call someone an idiot in an edit summary.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 23:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Bohemian Club Members

I am concerned about this category. It doesn't seem that you have reliable sources for asserting that the people you have tagged with this category are in fact members. As noted in the Bohemian Club article, the only supposed membership list is not reliable. In particular with information about living people we are particularly careful to ensure that all information included in Wikipedia about this is properly sourced and fully verifiable - please see WP:BLP. You need to provide reliable sources for the inclusion of people in this category or remove it. Thanks, Gwernol 23:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but the two references you have provided so far hold extreme points of view and cannot be considered reliable sources. Unless something better can be provided (and very soon) the list on the Bohemian Grove article must be removed as must the category. Sorry, Gwernol 23:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

No, if someone wrote "Bush is the greatest guy and he's done lots of good things for America & the world" I wouldn't ask for a source. I'd remove it immediately as personal opinion. I don't know if you noticed but we just had an election in which the Republican party was decisively defeated, so your remark about "dictatorship" is both incorrect and highly revealing of your personal bias. If you are not able to adhere to our most central policies like verifiability, perhaps it would be best if you did not contribute. Wikipedia is not and never will be a platform for you to express your political opinions. Its an encyclopedia that must be written from a neutral point of view. If you can't work within those rules, there are plenty of free web hosts available to you that you can use to promulgate your opinions. Thnaks, Gwernol 23:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Bohemian Club members

Hi there, fyi, I've nominated this for deletion discussion. I think the category would be fine if there was much more reliable multiple sources for the list but Bohemian Club#Selected club members doesn't give any reliable sources. thanks Bwithh 23:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Please actually read our guideline on reliable sources which tells you what you need to do. You must provide verifiable reliable sources when dealing with information about living people. If you continue to ignore this I will block you to prevent you further damaging Wikipedia. Thanks, Gwernol 00:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Trolling

[1] Do not make comments like this again. --Golbez 01:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, you must have a lot of free time Golbez. --PEAR 02:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I somehow manage to slip watching you in while doing work. It doesn't take much effort. --Golbez 05:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

More trolling:

This is your last warning.
The next time you violate Wikipedia's NPOV rule by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, as you did to War on Terrorism, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Gwernol 13:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the warning. --PEAR 00:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Your edits to Ukrainian Canadian internment

Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia, PEAR! However, your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove spam from Wikipedia. You've received this warning 1 times. If you were trying to insert a good link, please accept my creator's apologies, and try to reinsert the link again. If your link was genuine spam, please note that inserting spam into Wikipedia is against policy. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! Shadowbot 03:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Shadowbot; however, this was a legitimate edit.

--PEAR 03:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Shadowbot error

Thanks for notifying me about the problem. That edit was accidentally reverted due to a problem with the blacklist rule that we were using. I've corrected the problem, so hopefully it will not happen in the future. Thanks! Shadow1 (talk) 13:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for trolling

This edit is completely unacceptable. You have been blocked for one month. When you return, please make constructive contributions to Wikipedia instead of trolling. Gwernol 14:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)