Talk:Pimple

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was don't move, although I agree with the last comment at the very bottom. —Nightstallion (?) 10:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pimple...

this page should be redirected to sebaceous cyst, because that's what a pimple is. Dreamer.redeemer 22:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Pimple → Sebaceous cyst – for accuracy.

[edit] Support Votes

• Support Dreamer.redeemer 01:14, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oppose Votes

• Oppose. Wikipeida uses most common names for titles. ' ^{(Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!)} 05:11, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose per both Apostrophe and Charlene.vicker's arguments. 24.17.48.241 07:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose Use English. Septentrionalis 18:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose Use good clear English. QuartierLatin1968 18:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose For reasons mentioned below, i also oppose the move. Aujlakam 08:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose As above and below – they're not the same. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 19:07, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

For the sake of accuracy. maybe they need to be merged? i'm a novice editor, my apologies. on a further note, the zit disambiguation page seems unnecessary. Dreamer.redeemer 01:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pimples and sebaceous cysts are not the same thing

I vote a very, very strong no on medical reasons. A pimple is NOT the same thing as a sebaceous cyst, not at all. A sebaceous cyst is a collection of SEBUM (skin oil); a pimple is a collection of PUS (white blood cells and bacteria).

You can very easily have a pimple without sebum. Any collection of walled-off pus in the lower layer of the skin can be called a pimple, no matter what causes it.

You can also very easily have a sebaceous cyst without pus. Sometimes they grow to enormous proportions and have to be excised, but they never grow a head and never contain liquid pus.

It's true that many common pimples contain both, but that absolutely does not mean that a pimple and a sebaceous cyst are the same thing. Not by a long shot. --Charlene.vickers 05:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Then feel free to contribute to the article, using prefferably peer reviewed sources...? Dreamer.redeemer 20:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

in my research among peer reviewed sources i've found nothing on pimple or sebaceous cyst for that matter. pus is a mixture of dead white blood cells and liquor puris (of which i could find no definition) that exists to FIGHT bacteria. Charlene, i think you're mistaken, for instance, in one of the two pages i referenced it says

"Sebaceous Cyst are skin growths that contains a mixture of sebum (oil) and skin proteins. They generally appears as small, growing swelling on the face, scalp or back. A whitehead is actually a tiny sebaceous cyst. These nodules fell firm but movable and rarely hurt unless they become infected."

and "The skin has tiny glands under the surface which makes sebum. This is the 'oil' that makes the skin smooth. If a gland's duct (channel) becomes blocked the sebum is still made. This then fills up the blocked pore to form a cyst. The matter inside the cyst has the appearance of toothpaste. Sebaceous cysts tend to develop in teenagers because of an interaction among hormones, sebum, and bacteria. During puberty, the glands in the skin produce excessive sebum. In skin that is prone to acne, the sebum and dead skin cells clog the hair follicles and form comedones, or clogged pores. A comedone may break through the pore wall underneath the skin and release its contents. This causes a pimple or pustule. If this substance is released deep into the skin it will cause a sebaceous cyst."

i understand this is only one source and not (clearly) peer reviewed, so it's not worth much.

further, in the other site i listed it states "Sebaceous cysts tend to develop in teenagers because of an interaction among hormones, sebum, and bacteria. During puberty, the glands in the skin produce excessive sebum. In skin that is prone to acne, the sebum and dead skin cells clog the hair follicles and form comedones, or clogged pores. A comedone may break through the pore wall underneath the skin and release its contents. This causes a pimple or pustule. If this substance is released deep into the skin it will cause a sebaceous cyst."

this seems to indicate that a comedone is a precurser to a sebaceous cyst.

at this point i can find no clear distinction between the many different cutaneous lesions, so i agree that a pimple and a sebaceous cyst may not be the same thing. but at this point there is no information indicating otherwise. i'm open to any solid, SOURCED information.

if the policy is to have common names as article titles rather than a redirect to the actual name, i guess i can't fight that. but reasonably it should be the other way around. if i type in shin and get back tibia, well, i've already learned something new. Dreamer.redeemer 21:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.