Talk:Pinot noir
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[edit] Peak at Burgundy?
To say that "[pinot nior]reaches its peak in Burgundy wine" is only an opinion, and not a statement of fact, and is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Perhaps this can be reworded: "Historically, great Pinot Noir has been associated with Burgundy, although other regions also produce Pinot Noir wines." or deleted all together.
[edit] Jargon
This article is awash in jargon without linking:
Pinot Noir, known as Pinot Nero in Italian, is a red wine grape variety, considered to make some of the greatest wines. It is almost universally agreed to reach its peak in the wines of Burgundy, but is also used in the production of Champagne and is planted in most of the world's wine growing regions for use in both still and sparkling wines. Pinot Noir grown for dry table wines is generally low-yielding and often difficult to grow well. Pinot Noir grown for use in sparkling wines (e.g., Champagne) is generally higher yielding.
What does yielding mean? The first sentence doesn't read well and doesn't make it clear that pinot noir is a species of grape.
- Happy to gloss yielding. Yield means to produce, so a plant that is high yielding produces more fruit than a plant that is low yielding. Similarly, a high-yielding bank account or share would give more dividends/interest than a low-yielding one.Limegreen 20:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Marlborough, NZ and Pinot Noir
Does anyone have a contribution/edit on the production of Pinot Noir in Marlborough?JonathanG
- I probably should. There's far more there than anywhere else (although of course much of that is destined for Lindauer). On the other hand, I don't think that Marlborough is really excelling to the extent that even Nelson is. You're welcome to toss something in, or I'll have a reflect on it...
- --Limegreen 22:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unites States and Pinot Noir
There is no section for the US in Pinot Noir, though there have been many celebrated Pinot Noirs coming out of California and Oregon. I don't have enough knowledge to add the section myself, but I think it could be a good addition. 67.176.41.21 22:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC) Alex
- Second, also unable to help GuyFromChicago 21:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Australia
As a lover of Australian Pinots I have added a section about Australia. I'll try to add more later. Please join me. --Bduke 08:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sparkling White Pinot Nero?
Hi. This article seems to refer to red wine (although it does mention champagne too). However, on a recent holiday in northern Italy I enjoyed several Pinot Neros which were slightly sparkling white wines, from Oltrepò Pavese. Could anyone shed any light on this? Does Pinot Noir/Nero usually make a red wine (I couldn't actually see explicitly in the article)? Is there an alternative method of making white wine from the same grape? etc. Thanks. 86.1.161.152 15:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- OK, so reading the Wine article I've noticed that colour of the wine isn't dependent on the colour of the grape. Would this article benefit from it being stated that both red and white wines are made from the grape? Or is that the case for most grape varieties? Please excuse my ignorance on this matter! 86.1.161.152 15:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
pinot noir just like any other red grape can, and does, produce both red, rose and white wine (sperkling and still). This is due to the fact that the pigments that define the colour of a wine are in the skin of the grape and not in the pulp thus a wine will be red or white depending on the amount of time that the juice from the grape is in contact with the skin after pressing, if there is little or no contact the wine will be white allthough it was made with a red grape. A perfect example of this is that of Champagne, a winemaker has the choice of 3 grapes here, pinot noir, pinot meunier or chardonnay the first 2 being red. They even make champagne just with the 2 reds this is called blanc d noir.
[edit] Pinot Noir Photo Request
Some nice photos to have would be a photo of a Burgundy (bottle & glass), Blanc de Noir Champagne and a good Oregon Pinot-maybe a food shot with Salmon. Agne 21:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- I could tee up a couple of bottles of Burgundy, NZ Pinot, and possibly one from the Macon villages...--Limegreen 23:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] References and Source cited
As part of helping to work Pinot Noir up to FA status, I've added source tags to the article for things that an inline citation would be nice to have. Mostly it's for weasel words sentence "Some feel", "some say" etc. We also need to convert some of the quotes into in-line citation for WP:V. Agne 03:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Questionable content
I moved the following bits here because they lack citation and may also represent an individual POV or rely upon weasel words. If these can be attributed properly, I'd like to see them moved back into the article with the appropriate citation. dpotter 18:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] France
The most prestigious pure Pinot Noir Champagne is Bollinger's Vieilles Vignes Françaises
[edit] Germany
Robert M. Parker, Jr. says in one of his books that German pinot noir tastes thin, like badly made Burgundy wine. While some examples may not be well made, many are, and are highly sought after.
[edit] Oregon
Today, Oregon is regarded as one of the world's best pinot noir producing regions.
[edit] Pronunciation
In my opinion, a pronunciation guide for Pinot Noir could be useful. I found "pee-no NWAHR" and some variants from the net, but I suppose it should be in IPA. But I don't know how. Anyone? --Ketorin 12:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Catalan Countries?
This is obviously inaccurate. I just reverted a change change which renamed the section SPAIN. I believe it should be Spain but the way in which it was done was not correct.
Does anyone have any feelings about this before I change it back to Spain? Gsherry 13:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
This looks like the Spain/Catalonia conflicts don't even spare the wine articles :p Look at these diffs from the article's history. December 11, 2006 & December 7th, 2006. I think the text prior to the Dec 7th edit is probably the best. Agne 14:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Synonyms
The new infobox points to a non-existent section on synonyms. Is such a list a good idea? Is anyone planing to add it? --Bduke 23:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- There are certainly some synonyms (e.g. Spätburgunder, Pinot nero), so it will get filled out eventually.--Limegreen 00:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
