User talk:Pkeets

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Please don't keep adding your forum to the Roger Daltrey page. It doesn't actually add anything to our knowledge about Daltrey and anyone who really cares can find it by other means. James James 00:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Questions about Wiki Experience from a Newbie

Hi, In December I tried my first minor edits to Wikipedia articles and checking back now, I don't see them. I thought these were bits of information that were commonly known, but the page history indicates maybe they weren't accepted. Is this likely, and why? Should I provide references to verify what I add? Also, I've got a snotty message from some guy about adding a fan forum link, when I see these on plenty of other celebrity articles. What should I think about this? Thanks for the help. Pkeets 01:52, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Pkeets,

It's recommended that you always cite your sources, even if it seems to be common knowledge. (Some users may think it unverifiable and remove it.)

On the fan forum link: if you see the fan forum links on numerous other articles, mention that in a message on the talk page. If the subject of that article indeed has a large fan forum, and it's relevant to the article, it would probably be useful; however, if you are getting warnings about it, it may be best to first discuss. --Wikiacc 20:41, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I did notice that some articles linked to the ones I worked on are now missing, which leaves a link hanging. If you're going to delete articles, shouldn't someone clean up these broken links? Pkeets 02:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

It depends on the article. If the subject of the article deleted is non-notable or otherwise not deserving of an article, the links to it are usually removed. If the subject is notable, we usually keep the links so people can find them later and create a good article. (Redirects to the deleted page are always deleted.) --Wikiacc 20:41, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sandii & the Sunsetz

This article was deleted because it did not contain evidence of the topic's notability. I think this was too quick for that: you should have been given time to fix it up after just creating it. However, in this case the text is copied directly from the websites listed at the bottom, which is not allowed. If you are making articles from the Requested articles page you should do a little check to make sure the text is not copied from somewhere else. —Centrx→talk • 04:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, N. Can you retrieve the info for me? This was an "article requested for two years" and I had done considerable work in assembling the info, which I was in process of assembling into an article. It was ill considered to save it in that condition, but the fact remains now that the work I had done on it is lost if you can't retrieve it. Pkeets 04:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I've taken a closer look. Here is the beginning and end parts, that you created. Everything in between was from the linked websites. Note in the future though, you can't begin the page with the copied content and then work from there. It's possible no one will notice, but if the copyright holder does contact the Wikimedia Foundation, the entire page might end up having to be deleted (and it also does pose this practical problem of an admin hastily deleting it after seeing a copy-paste page, which are typically not improved).

Good job. Thanks. I added just a wee bits. Bearian 21:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VK bands

The only thing I can think of that would establish notability in any of these cases would be a discography, maybe. All those bands never released anything major in Japan that I can think of offhand, and I'm not even sure if any of them ever released an album. You're looking at bands that lasted two to three years, and that was it. As such, they don't meet notability guidelines as they stand now.

what you need is back issues of Fool's Mate and SHOXX, and I don't have any from the time period you need. If you can find scans, I can certainly read them and add them if they're useful. What you might want to do in the meantime is let the articles go, and start with a label article on Key Party, because they had anybody who was anybody at the time. however, I would suggest you move your current articles to userspace and continue to work on them. However, TBH, I don't think any of those bands were notable for themselves; rather, they were notable only because a small niche group of people picked up on the genre and pushed it regardless of quality of music. However, a label as a driving force is notable, esp. with the Key Party concerts and omnibus albums. Matina and Soleil did similar things as well. In short, come at your topic from a different angle, and remember to sign your posts with four tildes. MSJapan 00:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Edit the page you want to move, select all the text, and then copy/paste it to a subpage (you would make a subpage by doing User:Pkeets/whatever, and you can do that repeatedly), and that's it. Japanese Net sources on VK bands are minimal, and usually don't meet RS. For MR, I found grass thread, the VK DB, an even worse article on the Japanese WP, and that's about it. You really need the mags, because they were mainstream enough and covered the bands multiple times. MSJapan 01:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)