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[edit] Play Time or Playtime

The article has been moved. However, if I go to the Tati official site (http://www.tativille.com/) , it is Playtime. So what is the best authority ? Tativille or IMDb ? Hektor 11:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The best source would in fact be the title card from the film itself, which after a bit of research, I see reads Play Time.[1] Fair enough if I move the page again? David L Rattigan 11:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

"Play Time" is free from any important links, so there is no danger of double-redirect. By the way, I have seen both versions used. When Arte presented all Tati's films 2 years ago, it was Playtime. In some prospectuses I see it as PlayTime. Maybe this was Tati's original intension and it was turned to Playtime. If you just capitalize the T, no redirect is needed. Hoverfish 14:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I think PlayTime with a capital "T" would be the worst possible solution, and probably anachronistic - I'm sure capitalizing letters in the middle of words like that is quite a recent development. David L Rattigan 14:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The title of the film is definitely Play Time. David L Rattigan is correct. The title card from the film and the title card from the restoration information introduction both clearly say "Play Time". The published script also has the title that way. A Wikipedian should move this page back and create a redirect page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.136.42.118 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 28 October 2006.

If you look at the edit history for "Play Time" ([2]), apparently this page was moved to "Playtime" because that's how the official Jacques Tati website, http://www.tativille.com , spells it. It would be easy to move the page back to where it originally was, but... are we all in agreement then that this title card says "Play Time" and that the official website is incorrect? Esn 02:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

How could an official web site be incorrect on such a thing ? It is managed by the family of Jacques Tati (Jérôme Deschamps and al.) ! Hektor 11:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

My opinion is that it should be Playtime, by the way, if this helps any. Hoverfish 12:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, an official website could be incorrect if the people running it simply didn't think it was very important whether it was "Play Time" or "Playtime". I'm sure they didn't think anybody would care this much! If you look at the title in the film itself, though (it's the same as the one on the poster), it's quite clearly not "Playtime" because there's a capital "T" there. "P" and "T" are capital letters, the rest are lowercase. What's not so clear is whether there's a space before the "T".

Therefore, are two possible titles for this film, "PlayTime" or "Play Time". "Playtime" is demonstratably incorrect - the original film poster and the title within the film should take precedence over what the official website says. How the film is named in film festivals doesn't matter - I've seen films misnamed quite often. What does matter is what the original title was. Esn 05:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The same problem seems to occur with later Play Time films, some list them as one word some as two. Whatever name is decided, the alternative naming should be mentioned up top. If it wasn't for the grammatical error I would insist in PlayTime, but you are right Esn in your reasoning. For me it's just a matter of how I have been used to refer to it, so, nothing encyclopedic about my opinion really. It is not all that important, but some decision must be taken, because it's very unpractical to keep changing the title. Hoverfish 12:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The 5th reply said that the published script of the film spells it "Play Time". Now that would be conclusive proof if it's true, but where is there a published script of the film? I thought Tati threw the script into the ruins of Tativille when it was demolished... Esn 12:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Esn, a couple of things. The published script that I saw in a film archive bibliography was not released by the filmmaker. I believe it was a transcribed version from the video done for educational purposes. There is not much dialogue in the film and it could not have been that difficult to do --- or that long! However, I disagree with you that it would be conclusive proof. If a film has title card then that is the title of the film. Sometimes it is difficult to infer things like punctuation or subtitles vs title fragments. But Play Time is clearly two capitalized words with a space. This is in ALL versions of the film print and all the extant video versions that I have seen. The title of this film is "Play Time". That is not contentious in my opinion. What matters is what the Wikipedia policy is on naming articles that have a film as their subject. If what matters is common use, there is an argument for using Playtime. If what matters is accuracy, there should be no debate. I think many people are uncomfortable emotionally with changing the name of something that they are used to calling by another name. There is still tremendous obstinacy about De Sica's "Bicycle Thieves" as well.