Talk:Political corruption
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let us add officiousness as a type of corruption.Wblakesx 06:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)wblakesx
Bold text==Senseless map== Something is awfully wrong with the map shown, on one hand it quantifies corruption in a way one is left unsure whether the greater the number the more corruption there is or viceversa. On the other hand I find it quite ignorant of facts if it supposes that either Peru or the United States are one much more corrupt than the other. As both are respectively as corrupted as their respective power may let them be.
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I'm assuming that reporting the top and bottom 12 lists is fair use, or the reporting of facts, or both. Please remove or re-edit if you disagree -- Anon.
Mar 21, 2006 - updated link address from public domain resource at
http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/democracy_and_governance/technical_areas/anti-corruption/index.html "USAID" is the lead foreign aid department for the US State Dept. They have strategies and programs to fight corruption and provide financial support for well known anti-corruption programs like Transparency International and others focused on specific regions. However, many anti-corruption foreign aid programs focus on external projects, and they need to expand efforts to fixing internal government management control systems that are weak and allow corruption opportunities to flourish. Vjochim 13:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
An entry is deserved on the UN Oil For Food program don't you think? It is likely the largest corruption scandal in history. - Response - yes, it is huge - do a Google search on Paul Volcker to find websites with details. Vjochim 13:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Prof. Jon S.T. Quah (National University of Singapore) has excellent articles on Corruption and Corruption in Asia, as well as excellent books on corruption. Makes a good link in your reference or research sections. http://adb.org/Documents/Periodicals/GB/GovernanceBrief11.pdf http://www.currenthistory.com/currentissue.html Jack, April 18, 2006
"Charges of corruption as a political tool Oftentimes, politicians may seek to taint their opponents with charges of corruption. In the People's Republic of China, this phenomenon was used by Zhu Rongji, and most recently, by Hu Jintao to weaken their political opponents."
Please, can someone explain and/or expand this? It sounds like a very subjective claim. - Reply - this is fairly correct: A review of online articles of public corruption would show many times when one aspiring politician is claiming the incumbent has allowed corruption - especially after a big public case. In some cases, entire political parties lose power like Canada, in 2005 when the liberals were caught siphoning money out of government accounts to pay for political campaigns. The liberals lost control of the government after that scandal. Vjochim 13:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] proving corruption
It is easy to prove corruption, ... ...
This text in the article is not true, corruption is probably the most difficult crime to detect, investigate, and prosecute. Vsion 08:22, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
But with the right leads and the ability to read in between the lines corruption can show it self at its approoriate time. Unfortunately the people that have the ability to do this line of work have been bought and fall in the hands of corruption them selves.. 1:11 AM 20 December 2005 (MSC)
Disagree, many countries are forming anti-corruption commissions due to pressure from rankings in Transparency International's corruption indexes. The best are based upon the succesful Hong Kong anti-corruption commission. One indicator is how many court cases result in convictions, and is there publicity about it. For instance, a similar commission exists in poorly ranked Indonesia but they are growing in credibility and a track record of convictions. In contrast, another new commission in Iraq is preparing many cases, but the separate court system isn't yet strong enough to process the cases and issue convictions. But progress comes, based upon the "political will" of the incumbent political parties. Vjochim 13:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Maricopa County
- Even in countries where national politics is relatively honest, political corruption is often found in regional politics. An example is in Maricopa County, Arizona.
What's the deal there? There's no explanation for the example, either on this page or the link to Maricopa County. Maccoinnich 10:28, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
- I removed this. The original author may have been referring to a scandal involving alternative-fuel vehicles that happened in 2000-2002 during Governor Jane Hull's administration, but to my knowledge this affected the entire state and not just Maricopa County. Moreover, the scandal may not have involved corruption in the first place; it could be argued that the legislation was well-meaning but greedy citizens took advantage of loopholes. Anyway, I don't think it's a good example even if that was the intended reference, so let's leave all of this out for now. Jeeves 02:45, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Actually, we might want to put it back in. I'm in contact with some members of government, and they emphatically affirmed said corruption, mentioning AZSCAM, a major case of corruption in Maricopa County a few years ago where members of the state legislature were basically caught on film accepting bribes. More research pending, but it's definitely corruption. There was also a case about 20 years ago somewhere in Ohio, I'll look it up.
- I still have no idea what this is all about. If it's going to go back it, it definitely needs some explanation. Maccoinnich 17:15, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
I have to agree with the gentleman or woman that wrote and presented facts because if there is proof of bribery there is no reason for that not to be considered any type of corruption.
[edit] List of conditions favorable to corruption
Section 1 is a list of conditions favorable to corruption. The presence of a rambling, sloppy list at the beginning of the article could cause readers to ignore the high-quality material later on. This list appears to be a collection of personal gripes and theories of the editors. While some items are universally accepted and well worded (lack of transparency) others are poorly worded and indicate the political agenda of the editor (Apathetic, uninterested, or gullible populace that fails to give adequate attention to political processes.).
All in all, I think the items on this list need to be referenced, and then they need to be written in a consistant manner (currently, some are general and some are specific). AdamRetchless 14:34, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- I've structured the list, grouping related items together. Some improvement in phrasing may be needed. Criticforaday 21:35, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
~~I swear, this world is coming to an end.
[edit] List of Conditions
As far as a "rambling, sloppy list" is concerned, I'd have to disagree. In an article "A Policy-Oriented Theory of Corruption" by Tevfik Nas, Albert Price, and Charles Weber of the University of Michigan at Flint (published in American Political Science Review in 1986), the exact same contributing factors are listed (though not in a list form).
Nas, et al, divide the causes of corruption into "personal characteristics" and "structural influences". The personal characteristics are reduced to either greed or desire for social status (which, in my opinion, is probably the same thing). The structural influences are sub-divided into organizational, quality of citizen involvement, and effects of the legal system. I believe pretty much everything listed in the article can be placed into those divisions.
TL Hart
[edit] Christopher Largen's novel JUNK (2005)
This doesn't seem to be a major work of literature, but rather an advert for a vanity publication. Suggest we get rid of it.
While we're at it, the section on corruption in fiction is a bit light. Pretty much all the Conspiracy thrillers of the 1970s alluded to corruption and Watergate, etc. I'll add some more when I have time.
[edit] Why just "political"?
Who's never heard of the "I'll scratch your back if you scratch my back" principle in the workplace?
Are businesses somehow magically immune from corruption?
Isn't it handy to know the person in charge of purchacing?
I know countless examples of workplace corruption.
- Right, but workplace corruption is inherently a different animal from political corruption and is usually regulated under a different set of laws. Also, the term corruption could be used to refer to corruption of information (especially during transmission). So I think that is why the qualifier "political" is necessary here.--Coolcaesar 03:21, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
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- We do have Police corruption and Corporate crime.--Commander Keane 13:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I suggest that the article be split off so that we have:
- Official corruption, the misuse of an offical position for private advantage
- Political corruption, corruption of the polical system through bribery, intimidation, extortion, vote buying, destabilization, or influence peddling
Josh Parris#: 03:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC) \
some ideas;
The term "official corruption" could be referred to as "acting out of office" - an even broader concrete concept (i.e. so they opened the office door, walked outside, and started acting out there?). Or simply the act of exploiting others. (Borderline Personality)
Suggest it as:
CORRUPTION - an individual's inability to differentiate right from wrong is compromised ~ rendering them unable to follow, obey, or conform to laws, policies, procedures, protocols, or recognize jurisdictional limitations. So whose decisions ultimately cause mental, physical, or emotional harm to others under their control.
Note - a position of authority would be the logical point of origin for this behavior. Obviously, regarding an object of little consequence as "corrupt" seems an oxymoron. An individual's status could be compromised for different reasons i.e. if physical in origin due to dementia, mental-psychotic disorders, or emotional-personality disorders.
Therefore, someone could be corrupt, because they are incompetent. But if someone is incompetent, can they be corrupt?
btk; 17/1
[edit] Political corruption in China
Can anyone do an article on political corruption in China? I searched for it on Wikipedia but there doesn't seem to be an article on it, also I don't know how to request an article.
[edit] USA
I don't see why there's an article about the USA in here, in my opinion, the intire country is corrupt.
[edit] Corruption and Indian Corruption
In India Government gives food grains at subsidised rate through rationing shop on ration card. It appers that all most all the industrialist are having ration card means they are poor and nothing else but poor. Will any reader on this discussion will give opinion about difference in corruption and Indian corruption. vkvora 17:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Don't Forget the Organ Trading Black Market in India and Countries in that area That People have investigated Tirelessly.
[edit] Kashmir is by product of Defence Corruption in India and Pakistan
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- Red Tape, Bureaucracy, Corruption, Political corruption, Bribery, Extortion, Graft, Money Laundering all are part and parcel of Religon. vkvora 05:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Map
Map is bullshit, USA should be in black color on this map.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.226.107.91 (talk • contribs) 06:28, 15 November 2006.
^Good to hear from an expert. About the map, it's hard to follow. A similar map with better colours is here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/World_Map_Index_of_perception_of_corruption.png (if link doesn't work, qv the article on Switzerland and scroll down) -Jackmont, Jan 11, 2007.
- That map is outdated.Ultramarine 13:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The USA's government
To be totally honest, the US's political state is extremely corrupt as is the country. -Anonymous —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.203.165.11 (talk • contribs) 23:34, 4 December 2006.
[edit] Type of Abuse
It is simple to list monetary. How about abuse that doesn't involve money? For example, abuse for position gain, political power gains,etc. It make me grief to think about it.
--Sltan 13:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] External links
The external links section is full of unnecessary pointers, and is likely to attract more. I've removed the most obvious: columns from private newspapers, private blogs, ads, confusing corruption with other types of crime and misbehavior. I also commented out the examples section, because it can never represent a neutral point of view; anyone can "blacklist" anyone, without discussion or consensus. --Vuo 19:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Vuo has a sharp eye. good edit. Rjensen 21:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
