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Contents 1 Word for 'Love' 2 Portuñol or Portunhol? 3 italian/portuguese 4 dialects 5 Examples

[edit] Word for 'Love'

What is the word "love" in Portuñol? I'm doing a research project, and I can't find an English-Portunol Dictionary anywhere! 165.91.152.79 22:40, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm assuming the word for love in Portuñol is "amor", considering that "amor" is also the word for love in both Spanish and Portuguese. Al-Andalus 02:46, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

• It is obviously Amor. Portunhol is not a language it is just a Portuguese or Brazilian speaking Spanish, what they do is changing the accent and some words. The same occurs with Spanish and the Hispano-Americans. And, they can have a conversation without problems.

[edit] Portuñol or Portunhol?

Now a different and practical problem to consider:

• why should we spell Portuñol, instead of Portunhol?
• In spanish I would write Portuñol, whilst in portuguese I would write Portunhol, because the symbol 'ñ' (http://unicode.org/ at Unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH TILDE, hexa 0x00F1).
  In reality both references exist: this one at English wiki, and the one at http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portunhol, and those are merely references to a non-official language.
  I "thank you" all your interest for this little article, I would say obrigado in portuguese, gracias in spanish, and obracias in portinhol... ...or grado in portuñol. H. Moreira 02:21, 1 November 2005 (UTC)Henrique Moreira

[edit] italian/portuguese

There is a similar "language" with Italian. LOL. A famous coach (Italian) of a Portuguese club speaks "Italuguês" (a mixture of Portuguese and Italian), what he does is changing Italian terminations to Portuguese and add some words. Sure there's also with Italian-Spanish, because it is also a similar language. -Pedro 09:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I think you're confusing a sporadic bad habit of mixing languages (as per the example you have given of the soccer coaches) by people who are native speakers of one specific language that are trying to speak another genetically similar language which they do not have a knowledge of.

However, unlike your example, Portuñol is actually a spoken "language" of bordertowns along Brazil's frontiers with it's Spanish speaking neighbours. This is most evident among the many Uruguayans along the Brazilian border that are speakers of Portuñol, and can speak neither proper Spanish nor proper Portuguese. Al-Andalus 17:20, 19 May 2005 (UTC).

• apparently, this would be a blend of uruguayan spanish and brazilian portuguese. Gringo300 09:08, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

• well there's is a Portuñol almost extinct used as a native language (in Portugal): Barranquenho (altough it is pratically extinct, it is spoken in southern Portugal. BTW, most refer to Portunhol as being a mixcode and not a native language of noone. Also, many ppl see Galician also as Portunhol (when they hear it and find many particularities of Portuguese where they expected Spanish- so some people say: it is strange, they speak a sort of Portunhol!). with the italian example, many people doesnt understand Italian (most of it, some they surely do), but that mixture they understand it fully! In fact, that coach also used spanish words like hoy, so he in fact he speaks Italian-Portuguese-Spanish (Italoportunhol). -Pedro 00:21, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] dialects

Gringo300 09:05, 8 October 2005 (UTC) Portuñol is not even a dialect, to my knowledge.

H. Moreira 02:22, 1 November 2005 (UTC) H. Moreira

Yes, it is since is heavily said in Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina and Bolivia.

Yes, it is. Please refer to Riverense Portuñol language or es:Portuñol riverense for an example. Muñata 17:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Examples

Could anyone add on to this article by adding examples of "Portunhol" words or expressions. For example, the Spanglish page gives a several examples of words or phrases that considered Spanglish and explains the origin (the English and Spanish words) and how the word or phrase deviates from proper English or Spanish. There could also possibly be a discussion of pronunciation changes or grammar changes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.30.44 (talk) 04:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC).