Talk:Potassium permanganate
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[edit] Glycerine
I remember a high school chemistry teacher saying that pot. permanganate will spontaneously combust in the presence of glycerine. True? Likely? Mixing it up with something else?
- Yes, solid KMnO4 is a very strong oxidizer, which when mixed with pure glycerine, will cause a highly exothermic chemical reaction to take place. This reaction would turn red hot as a spontaneous "combustion" which would melt a glass or other container holding the reacting contents and could ignite anything flammable nearby. I have personally seen a demonstration of this reaction, except nothing flammable nearby was ignited. A reaction of this sort could take place when solid KMnO4 is mixed with all kinds of organic materials. Aqueous solutions of KMnO4 are much less dangerous, especially when diluted. Also, I have heard, but not witnessed, that mixing solid KMnO4 with concentrated sulfuric acid causes an explosion. H Padleckas 08:28, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Taste
Can anyone verify the taste of KMnO4? According to this article, it taste sweet. However, according to my friend it does not taste sweet. He said it taste bitter. I did any experiment eariler today that involved KMnO4, so I went to taste it. Apparently it seems that my friend is right. The taste is weird, but I would definitely not call it sweet. Bitter is a better term to describe it.
- Well I'm certainly not going to try myself! It apparently doesn't have a very strong taste, based on the testimony of a friend of mine who had to use it for emergency water purification while trekking. Physchim62 22:50, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
- The page I linked to describes it as having a "sweet, astringent taste" raptor 15:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Snake bites
I heard something about potassium permanganate being used to treat snake bites, does anyone know about it? --200.118.2.214 19:27, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] neutralizing agent
Do you know the best possible neutralizing agent against aqueous solutions of potassium permanganate (I mean reduction point of wiev) to avoid/increase the feature of flammable?
- Aqueous iron(II) sulfate solution works well for small quantities. The fire risk with solutions of KMnO4 is not very high, it is the solid compound which really poses a risk. Physchim62 13:32, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] "rejuvenation" of potassium permanganate
Potassium permanganate is known to be used at the discoloration process of jeans . A way of application is by impregnating pumice stones in a potassium permanganate solution and after that remove the pumice and let them dry . In this way pumice stones "encapsulate" an amount of permanganate and can be used to "stonewash" jeans and diminish the shade of jeans at the same time . This application results in a fashionable effect . As a result we get an inormous amount of pumice stones having a brown shade.(This is the inactivated form of potassium permanganate, magnesium oxide). Is it possible to "rejuvenate" the pumice? Is it possible to regain some of the quantity of permanganate by "oxidation" of the magnesium oxide?
- Although potassium permanganate is made from manganese dioxide, the process would require that the MnO2 was extracted from the stones. My guess is that this would not be economically viable. However, the stones could be re-impregnated with potassium permanganate to recharge them.
[edit] potassium maganate redirect
The link for potassium manganate redirects to potassium permanganate. This is incorrect. Potassium permanganate has the formula KMnO4 (Mn is in the +7 oxidation state)and is purple, while potassium manganate has the formula K2MnO4 (Mn is in the +6 oxidation state) and is dark green. These are two separate compunds, and should be listed as such.
[edit] Ozone does not arise from KMNO4?
I removed the comment that H2SO4 + KMNO4 gives ozone. I have seen no mention of this conversion in my reading. H2SO4 gives Mn2O7, which is slightly volatile and a nasty oxidant, which could explain the ignition of paper over H2SO4/KMnO4 mixtures. See Mn2O7. If anyone has a citation supporting the fascinating ozone possibility, feel free to over-ride my deletion, but do add a journal or book reference.--Smokefoot 16:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Agree: Mn2O7 is volatile, so you might get a smell of ozone from this reaction, but I cant see anyone preparing large quantities of O3, the thermodynamics just arent there. Physchim62 (talk) 12:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, apparently I am wrong and there is something to this ozone thing. Dzhabiev, T. S.; Denisov, N. N.; Moiseev, D. N. and Shilov, A. E., "Formation of ozone during the reduction of potassium permanganate in sulfuric acid solutions", Russian Journal of Physical Chemistry, 2005, 79, 1755-1760 Barthel, H. and Duvinage, B., "Clemens Winkler. His experiments with ozone in 1892", Praxis der Naturwissenschaften, Chemie, 2000, 49, 18. Abstract: "A lecture demonstration is described concerning a modified version of the historical ozone expt. of Clemens Winkler in 1892. A gutter, about 2 m long and closed at both ends, is filled with 30-50 mL EtOH. 0.5 Mg KMnO4 is given to 3 mL of concd. H2SO4 and stirred with a glass bar. When the tip of the glass bar is hold over the EtOH surface a flame appears immediately which is spread over the whole gutter. [on SciFinder (R)]" So I will go back and undo some of my deletions: sic transit arrogance or something like that.--Smokefoot 19:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NFPA 704 Rating
The ranking on this page is incorrect. According to http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-nfpa-704-ratings#wp-P and http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsld=9927406 the ranking should be a 1 in blue, and 0 in everything else with an "OX" in the white square. Someone should change this if they find agreeing evidence.
- The International chemical safety card cited in the article doesn't give any hints, and the ratings quoted above seem reasonable. comments anyone? Physchim62 (talk) 16:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Teargas
On the 1991 film about South African right- wingers The Leader, his driver and the driver's wife by Nick Broomfield a man named J.P. Meyer says if Condy's Crystals and formalin are mixed teargas is created. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.28.1.84 (talk) 13:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC).
- No, you make formic acid, which is unpleasant but not what is usually refrred to as tear gas. Physchim62 (talk) 15:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
But it was a gas which rose and caused all persons present to leave the room in which it was set off and the man who makes it J.P. Meyer says it's used to 'break up NP (South Afrian National Party) meetings' and so it was obviously treated as teargas and is a painful irritant.
- I never said that I would like to try the experiment, especially not in an enclosed space! Formic acid is the active component in most ant stings. Physchim62 (talk) 17:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough but it's teargas because it makes people cry and run around. Agreed?
[edit] Missspelling?
down in hazards theres a sentance "such as a pouder mixture of KMnO4" is it supposed to be powder? im not good with science so i didnt want to change it and find out pouder meant something.
