Talk:Project Xanadu
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I think the text on the page for Project Xanadu needs to be edited to reflect the fact that MediaWiki nowadays actually use transclusion, and that this principle is thus in widespread use. Anyone else that agrees? Harvester 14:02, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Yes, I think it is a good idea to mention the transclusion/MediaWiki/Project Xanadu connection in the Project Xanadu article. Bevo 14:17, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
This is false. MediaWiki uses macro templating, not transclusion.--152.78.61.132 15:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I haven't looked at anything Xanadu/Udanax related in about 2 years, but what makes it stick out in my mind since I started using Wikipedia is how similar Wikipedia is to the original vision; reverse linking, the version comparison feature looks identical (to my recollection)... -- Jim Regan 04:57 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)
We need some stuff on why Xanadu failed, and the Web succeeded.
Was it that:
- Xanadu was just too far ahead of its time?
- Xanadu was just too ambitious?
- the Web had the magic "worse is better" factor?
- Tim Berners-Lee "just did it", instead of talking about it?
- the Web built on existing SGML and FTP technologies, leveraging existing work -- Xanadu was "designed too soon" to be re-hacked on top of ad-hoc stuff like the Web.
-- The Anome 10:59, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)
or that Xanadu seems horribly complicated? If I want to publish a document online, I just want to write it, not muck about with transclusion. In fact, transclusion sounds a bit like HTML frames: you need actual documents and a meta-document. There's a reason why frames died out! -- Tarquin 11:02, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)
-- LarryW 11:21, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC) I found these Wired articles interesting:
This is too self-referential to include in the article, but among the features which were available in Xanadu which can be seen in Wikipedia's software are:
- bi-directional links (What links here)
- Comparison of pages (the diff feature in the page history)
- Inclusion of files ("transclusion") ({{msg:}} feature)
-- Jim Regan 04:28, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
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- Whoops. Mentioned that before! -- Jim Regan 04:32, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
NOTE: Deleted a completely erroneous paragraph claiming Xanadu was designed before computer networking and was intended to be centralised rather than distributed. This is simply not true, as the Xanadu design always featured distributed back-end storage with a back-end to back-end protocol. Andrew Pam, Chief Scientist, Project Xanadu.
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[edit] authors or copyright holders
In the section on authors not liking their work transcluded wouldn't copyright holders be a more appropriate term
[edit] zzStructure as a separate Wiki entry?
Xanadu's proprietary zzStructure to me seems really innovative as a database, but back in 2003 it was abandoned by Savannah in its GZZ Implementation due to lack of rights to source code.
My question is does anyone else here think a separate entry about this would be a good idea? I know it's pretty much abandonware at this time, but you can still develop with it pretty easily. Phil.andy.graves 02:59, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] A new hope for Xanadu found in Fiber Optic processing
there are several new computing forms being experimented on, one of the most popular and best chance of success is the Fiber optic processing computers. were they utilize the speed and Capacity of light and holo images etched in the sides of the fiber optic filiment networks to complete a prossess, and maintain a on going process by looping data redundently and storing relevent info by etching a holo not in a crystal data storage disc. by far the best idea for Xanadu yes?
[edit] Copywrite
I removed this section of the article because it is vague and doesn't make sense. What authors? Was there some poll to decide that "many" authors object to their work being linked in a two-way nature? Why would "many" authors object to their work being linked in-context with other works?
- Copyright
- Xanadu's model of transclusion might have proven unpopular with authors. Despite the facilities for authors of documents to be paid when part of their work was transcluded in another's document, there seems to be no guarantee that the authors of these documents would receive proper credit in the transcluding work. Many authors object to their work being used as the basis of the sort of derivative works which transclusion would allow, but feel comfortable with having their complete work distributed on the web.
[edit] Roger Gregory
The link to Roger Gregory goes to a federal judge rather than the programmer. Since Roger Gregory is likely the first person to program a working hypertext system it behoves Wikipedia to at least get the link correct.
