Talk:Proto-orthodox Christianity

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I'm going to edit this page because I think the definition provided is incorrect. If someone is curious or disagrees, please look at the version prior to my edit. However, based on reading two of Ehrman's books and listening to his Teaching Company lectures I think that proto-orthodox is distinct from Marcionism, Ebionism, or gnostic groups, and I think that should be emphasized in the definition provided. --Jackson 05:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

i believe yours is incorrect/biased. i did my dissertation on the term proto-orthodox christianity.

[edit] Modern Proto-Orthodoxy section

I would like to discuss this section. I expect to remove most if not all of it.

[edit] Modern Proto-Orthodoxy

Today, the stoicism ideology is still very intertwined with Proto-Orthodoxy. Many denominations within the Christian community practice sermons, which attempt to join dissimilar Christian texts in order to placate their idea of uniformity and the idea of the universal. Modern Christians still follow the stoic guideline of hubris;

"Hubris consists in doing or saying things that cause shame to the victim, not in order that anything may happen to you, nor because anything has happened to you, but merely for your own gratification.” ^[1]

This stoic trait of hubris, allows them to continue to refer to all other faiths as heretics, and to even dismiss and belittle other denominations as they have done all throughout time, which can be seen through the many wars, conquests, and attempted globaliziations continually done in order to proliferate the Christian priority.

It is unclear from your analysis whether the aggressive activity you claim is evidence of the supposed adherence to the hubris guideline, or the supposed adherence to the guideline is being presented as explanation of the alleged aggressive activity. Unfortunately for your presentation, you haven't provided evidence for either claim, neither of which are generally accepted, to say the least, and for this reason I am asking you to provide, if you wish to reintroduce this passage, clarification of cause and effect and relevant citation.

I don't understand what you mean by placating their of idea uniformity and the idea of the univeral; you don't placate ideas, you placate intelligent beings, so what kind of feelings are being placated? insecurities? wishes to have one's notions of good stewardship of revelation respected? I can't help mentioning you haven't provided any supporting evidence for whatever you're trying to say here, either.

And you say on this talk page you wrote your dissertation on this subject. Is this a dissertation for your international baccalaureat (international high school equivalent)? You say on your user page that you're an undergraduate. Aren't you afraid you might be in a little over your head? And are you aware that Wikipedia articles are supposed to be written from a neutral point of view including both sides of an issue? Dissertations usually follow a thesis (one side of an issue). 64.154.26.251 01:18, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no definition of placate, and no definition of idea that makes placate the idea a meaningful phrase. Similarly, no definition of proliferate or priority that make it meaningful to proliferate a priority. There is something in the language that suggests that the writer is not a native English speaker. The comma after sermons seems to confirm this—it tells us that many denominations practise sermons (implying that a few don't), and that pretty well all these sermons attempt to "join" dissimilar texts, etc, etc. Omitting the comma would indicate that many denominations practise sermons of the heinous type described.

Is practice, with a c rather than an s used for the verb as well as the noun in American English?

In any case, to practise a sermon actually means to try it out first without an audience, or with a small one (who may be asked to critique it), before delivering it to the congregation.

I agree with you on the NPOV. This passage is definitely a polemic. Copey 2 08:53, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

lol, feel free to edit it! thats the point of wikipedia anyway!

[edit] Capitalization

The article and the article's title capitalize "orthodox" inconsistently, which is more correct? Bryan 04:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)