Talk:Protopunk
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The Ramones were said to have been a result of Protopunk. However, The Ramones were part of the original punk movement. The Sex Pistols did branch from protopunk, the Ramones were in protopunk. Also, I added that the original protopunk bands were Blondie, Patti Smith, and the Ramones at CBGBs. The New York Dolls were also part of this triplet, however, they are credit (in college music history courses) as being wave 2 punk movement bands. This is because they knew how to play their instruments before they started playing as a band.
- the ramones are generally seen as the point at which protopunk became true punk. also, all first generation punk bands were a direct result of protopunk, which is best defined as bands that were active before the term 'punk' was coined. Joeyramoney 19:32, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Patti Smith, Blondie, and The Ramones are not protopunk. Smith and The Ramones, along with Hell, Suicide, and Television, are all major playors in First Wave Punk. Blondie is New Wave; I'm not even sure how you thought they were proto-punk. Quinibus
Protopunk music goes all the way back to The Who's angry instrument smashing. Several British groups, notably John's Children and The Move, were influenced by The Who and developed outrageous stage acts to compensate for their poor playing. These groups were amongst the first protopunks. At around the same time in America, groups like the MC5 developed angry, repetitive music with an anti-society message. Eventually, British protopunk and American protopunk became intertwined circa 1972, to form the basis of punk rock.
Many vastly more popular and well-known musicians emerged from protopunk groups. For instance, Marc Bolan, formerly of John's Children, invented glam rock, a theatrical variant of protopunk, and hid behind groundbreaking costumes to disguise his amateurish guitar playing. He became one of the most influential rock stars ever. The New York Dolls and other protopunks, were influenced by his music and costumes, and created an angry variant which was absorbed into the styles of garage rockers such as The Ramones.
And that's the origins of punk. Your helpful mate, Percussion
- That's a nice history, but incomplete: you left out Lou Reed, Bowie, and Iggy Pop. Also: note, The Ramones may have sold the most t-shirts to sub-urban kids, but they aren't the only major band in the early punk movement; just the most accessible.Quinibus
I'm not sure why exactly Pere Ubu should be considered proto-punk, like the article suggests. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.Quinibus
Television isn't protopunk. They played with at CBGBs at the same time as the Ramones..Quinibus
Wait, why is Greenday listed as proto-punk? This is'nt right.
[edit] The Kinks
The Kinks are often overlooked as the pioneers of punk that they really where/are. They played heavy, fast, power chord driven rock music (for the 60's at least). Just listen to "I'm Not Like Everybody Else", a song recorded in early 1966. Bands like The Who and The Ramones were huge fans of the Kinks. In the mid-late 70's they (the Kinks) got back to their hard rock/punk roots, like on the live album "One For the Road".
