Talk:Qiyamah

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Previous discussions:

1 Judgement
2 Odd passage
3 From Amro
4 introduction
5 Article Move

[edit] Judgement

"This is similar to some Protestant theologies that state that salvation is by the grace of God, and not by deeds. Islam, however, emphasizes that grace does not conflict with perfect justice."

The overall article is VERY insightful. However, as a Catholic and amateur apologist, I have to point out that the above passage is not quite correct. Grace is generally defined as an undeserved gift, given to the sinful as well as to the righteous. This is the view that most Orthodox and Protestant denominations hold - there is some difference among evangelical, fundamentalist, and dispensationalist elements of Christianity. This concept of grace does not match well with the preceeding paragraph, "mercy and forgiveness will be granted on that day insofar as it is merited". I appreciate the attempt at comparison, but perhaps it would be more accurate to leave the comparison out.Thaddeus Ryan 21:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Odd passage

"We asked,'O Messenger of Allah, how quickly will he walk upon the earth?' He said,'Like a cloud driven by the wind. He will come to the people and call them (to a false religion), and they will believe in him and respond to him. He will issue a command to the sky, and it will rain; and to the earth, and it will produce crops. After grazing on these crops, their animals will return with their udders full of milk and their flanks stretched. Then he will come to another people and will call them (to a false religion), but they will reject his call. He will depart from them; they will suffer famine and will possess nothing in the form of wealth. Then he will pass through the wasteland and will say, "Bring forth your treasures", and the treasures will come forth, like swarms of bees. Then he will call a man brimming with youth; he will strike him with a sword and cut him in two, then place the two pieces at the distance between an archer and his target. Then he will call him, and the young man will come running and laughing."

This seems to indicate that ad-Dajjal will perform miracles...It is also odd that the description of the treasure is said to come forth like a "swarm of bees" - I guess the choice of diction reflects the negative view of materialist wealth. What is truly perplexing is the man being cut in half and then "running and laughing." Any thoughts? [Source] freestylefrappe 02:46, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] From Amro

The Anti-christ, both in the Christian and Islamic view, will perform miracles in order to fool people and make them follow him. You can read more info on www.harunyahya.com Unsigned comment by 128.97.84.243

[edit] introduction

I removed several Qur'anic references because it bogs down the introduction. These kinds of references are not commonly placed here and it seemed like it needed cleanup. Maybe in one of the sections a number of sources could be mentioned. Cuñado - Talk 22:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)