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[edit] Expand, please
Expand this amazing opening. Talk about the initial control of center and more into the variations. For the third most popular opening move, there is very little on it compared to less popular openings! 70.111.224.85 14:19, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
1.Nf3 is not yet a Réti. We don't know what it will be, yet. It could transpose into a myriad of openings. If 1.Nf3 c5 2.e4 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4, this is an Open Sicilian, not a Réti. That is why this label for 1.Nf3 is premature. It can be a ton of different things. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?eco=A09&node=81608 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.75.58.12 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 3 January 200 (UTC)
:I concur ... it should not be called Réti until after 2. c4 in response to 1. … d5. (See diagram of A09 from ECO.) After that, the replies for black are:
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- 2. … dc
- 2. … e6
- 2. … c6
- 2. … d4
- This is what you find in all of the books ... white forces black not to play 1. … e5, then immediately attacks the pawn forced to d4 with the off-center c pawn ... now it's black's decision to either follow one of the classic lines, or else transpose into a Queen's Gambit, Sicilian Defense, or any of several other openings.
- I have a monograph on The Réti by Chess Digest Magazine published in 1972, and this is the diagram on the cover ... any analysis of the opening begins with this position ... even my Batsford Chess Openings (BCO) from 1982 refuses to discuss the Réti until after 1. Nf3 d5, which is now called A06 in ECO if I am not mistaken. (I don't have a copy handy.)
- It may be the 3rd most popular of the 20 possible opening moves for white in recent tournament play, but how many of those games are really listed as A09 and didn't transpose into something else, like the English Opening? As far as I'm concerned, that is what this article should state, using the diagram above.
- OTOH, I just found another book from 1982 titled Réti Opening 1 Nf3 d5 and it begins by saying that white has two choices to continue:
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- 2. c4 (classic method)
- 2. g3 (modern metho)
- I may come back soon and add a section on "Classic method (A09)" to discuss the 4 lines above and other openings into which they can transpose, with diagrams and side-by-side score sheets, like this example of a position in the Queen's Indian Defense that is reached by a Réti line following 2. … e6 in the classic method.
- I just had a closing thought ... I guess that A06 is a preferable starting point to A09 for historic reasons (and because black has agreed to follow this line, at least for a while) ... A09 says that white has chosen the classical method, but black still has several ways to turn it into a different game, and transpositions with color reversal and increased tempo are abundant with this opening ... so expand opening to include A06, and add a section on A09 method with the 4 replies for black. Anything more and the reader should buy a book! —141.156.216.67 (talk • contribs) 05:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
