Talk:Raúl Juliá

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I'm not sure about that accent on the a in Julia. Wetman

Escrito así en español. Veáse: http://www.cinenacional.com/personas/?persona=2888

-- Viajero 00:43, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Yep, since the last name is originally from Catalunya. Not only that... Julia (as in "Julia Roberts") is not the correct pronunciation, either. It rhymes with "(Comme si,) comme ça" Demf 18:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 His "Final" Film 2 Big budget? 3 Weaseling about AIDS 4 Cause of death 5 First born son 6 Contact with WMF office 7 translation of cueva del chicken 8 Question

[edit] His "Final" Film

Everyone thinks of Street Fighter but he made an HBO film in late 1994 which was released in 1995. While I have no access to his schedule, it seems far more likely that he completed Street Fighter before working on the HBO film. --feitclub 18:37, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Big budget?

"He also starred in the big-budget film Street Fighter as the villainous M. Bison."

Removed the "big-budget" part, because $35 million [1] is not really much for an action movie.

[edit] Weaseling about AIDS

The statement "…which had at various times been advanced to the public as his diagnoses, underlying HIV/AIDS infection was seen as a very strong possibility - but was never publicly confirmed or proven." is irresponsible! The fact that he was suffering from stomach cancer alone can explain this weight loss and general physical deterioration. Michael David 21:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

His widow, Merrell Juliá, has categorically denied that Raúl ever had AIDS. She has gone on record saying that he had lost 40 pounds on the six months previous to his death, 20 for his next-to-last role (which he blamed on the miserable food on location), and 20 for Street Fighter (which he did as a favor to his two children, who were fans of the video game, but which put a big physical strain on him, since the small budget forced filming to be done rather quickly). Always the perfectionist, Raúl didn't mind losing the weight much, since he actually felt he looked like a stereotypical Germanic military leader with the pounds off and, therefore, would make for a better role as a dictator of sorts (even though Bison was British).

Now, we need to check on the chronology of events here. If my memory serves me right, the announcement of Raúl's stomach cancer came after he died. There was speculation here in Puerto Rico (from where I'm writing this) that he didn't know he had cancer at all, which I find difficult to believe. He did recall, however, that he was vomiting inexplicably all the way through the filming, and that he was extremely concerned by it. I wouldn't be surprised that the physical (vascular) strain of all that vomiting took its toll on Raúl, which explains the stroke. Demf 18:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, just listened to an MP3 of an interview with his sister, who talked about his cancer. She claims his bout with cancer lasted three years, and he was extremely secretive about it as to not impact the productions of the films he was doing. He would have the tumors removed but not do any further treatment. When filming the Chico Mendes story he fell sick with food poisoning from a shrimp salad he ate; filming was stopped for three days and he felt miserable about it. Thus, he tried to keep his illness as a secret until the very end. Demf 05:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cause of death

Did he die from a stroke or stomach cancer? Is it possible to die from both? It doesn't seem likely. --Chris Griswold 12:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Technically, yes you can be determined to have died from the effects of both. Both can be terminal conditions. If the cancer had progressed far enough, it would be difficult, even through autopsy, to determine which got his first.

Michael David 12:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First born son

The statement He was survived also by his first-born son Raul Julia-Levy aka Raul Julia Jr, born in Mexico City on July 10, 1971 is not really supported by any of the external links currently listed. Given his widow apparently disputes this claim I think "alleged" or "self-claimed" would be accurate, but without a verifiable (reliable) source that can be cited I think this statement is too strong. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contact with WMF office

Mr. Julia-Levy (Raul Julia, Jr.) contacted the office and has supplied his passport and birth certificate to us. These obviously cannot be posted online. However, if you look at the voluminous links regarding the controversy surrounding Mr. Julia's widow and natural son, this has been an ongoing issue for approximately eleven years. I did not get into the specifics of the legal action which has been taken, but someone may want to do some digging based on the reporting on the page. For now, he has certainly provided documents which prove his identity.--Brad Patrick 16:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I've reworded this to state what I can verify, which is that Raul Julia-Levy claims to be his son and that the widow disputes this claim. Like anything in Wikipedia, facts must be verifiable through published, reliable secondary sources (see WP:V and Wikipedia:Reliable sources). This is a fundamental policy of Wikipedia. A copy of a birth certificate sent to the Wikipedia Foundation's lawyer is a primary source, NOT a verifiable secondary source. If there's a reliable, secondary source (a published book, or a news article from a respectable newspaper or magazine, not a press release or a reprint of a press release) that says "Raul Julia-Levy is Raul Julia's son" please provide it. If not, then all that should be said is what can be sourced, which is that Julia-Levy claims to be his son and Raul Julia's widow disputes this claim. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] translation of cueva del chicken

Wouldn't "cueva del chicken" be "cave of chickens", not "chicken cave"? Consider "cueva del pollo" being "cave of chicken", rather than "chicken cave". ... aa:talk 20:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep, it doesn't make sense, and I don't blame you... it is confusing. Here's the story I've heard: the place's original name was "El Chicken Inn", since the main fare was barbecued chicken. It should have been "The Chicken's Inn", or even "The Chicken Inn", I assume, but it was rather common for Puerto Rican businesses to have a (mangled) English name as to appeal to Americans who would visit Puerto Rico. Now, the restaurant (which still exists and is quite popular) was assembled in a converted house, where lighting was poor to begin with. The bar, particularly, has textured walls and arched ceilings, which reminded some patrons of a cave. Juliá's father would hear younger patrons refer to it as "La Cueva" and rate it as an excellent pizza parlor, rather than a chicken restaurant. He mixed both names as to ensure the entire demographic spectre was covered: the young ones that referred to it as "La Cueva" and the older ones who referred to it as "El Chicken Inn". I sense that he intended to market the "cave" setting more than anything else. BTW, at a corner of the main dining room, there's a small plaque and photograph honoring Raúl, right at his favorite spot. Demf 04:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops, my theory is wrong. I have since fixed the references, as per the María Eugenia Juliá's interview I refer to below. Read the article... Demf 05:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Am I the only one that feels this article is messy? Panda

It is, indeed. I'm currently listening to Raul's sister, María Eugenia, on an interview. Here's the link. I hope this one clears quite a few issues here up. Stay tuned. Demf 04:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)