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[edit] Rachel Grey
Does anybody actually believe that Rachel Grey and Rachel Summers are the same person? They act completely different and many of the things Rachel Summers knew and was capable of doing, Rachel Grey is not (like walk in heels, Rachel Summers not only walked in heels, but one of her costumes was known for it's heels. Rachel Grey, however, is incapable of that). Rachel Summers also is suppose to be without the Pheonix Force, but Rachel Grey has had several phoenix manifestations. 216.215.245.26
- I have noticed this aswell. Rachel had the power cosmic through Phoenix, and thereby access to all the knowledge of the infinite cosmos, and power unimaginable. In her adventure in Excalibur she did things on the same power level as Dark Phoenix. Without any training, she was able to travel through time and dimensions. She was able to cause any sort of molecular rearrangement she wanted. She may have lost her source of all that power, but I don't see why she should suddenly lose all her natural skills, and forgot how to use telekinetic abilities. This woman went to the end of time and had infinite knowledge. Then she decided it was time to go to college? How about her personality? She has been married, seen her husband killed before her eyes, and been a mutant assassin, and that was all before she joined Excalibur. How does she have the personallity (and appearance) of a 16 year old all of a sudden? She used to have a rebellious independant flare to her personality, and now she just seems like a naive, depressed little girl. Dorin 19:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
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- I tend to also agree. The Rachel I know from Excalibur only resembles the one in the X-Men comics. I too also thought back to the high heels moment and thought that Rachel always wore 6 inch stelletos when she lived in England. If anyone, Kitty would be the most uncomfortable in high heels. With the number of psychic battles she's had, which includes the years she used her telepathy in her alternate future, I also find it hard to believe that she could be so helpless against Emma Frost. I'm wondering if sometime in the future Rachel Grey will be met by a Rachel Summers. A little too much like Psylocke's story for my taste, but its the only thing that makes sense. Artemisboy 21:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rachel Pic
DrBrat, why do have this vendetta against me, and the tought of ANY good pics on Wikipedia. I didn't delete your pic, I just put Rachel in her current costume in the SHB. Its people like you that really tick me off, people who think that they are beyond the rules they themsleves proffess to follow. You've questioned my maturity, yet you have went and changed any pics I have put up like a toddler knocking the pieces of a board game they've just lost. Your only argument is that "My artist is BETTER", which is completely POV and biased. You're only doing this becuase you have this sense of entitlement, and think that if it doesn't look good to YOU, then it doesn't look good or is relevent. First rule of Wikipedia, people will edit your stuff. Everone here has a right to contribute to this site, and you need to grow up and stop being an online version of a playground bully. I will not stop making edits here becuase of you and your sorry attitude. I won't leave like others have. I will not give up. So accept it, or prepare yourself for a LIFETIME of reverting my edits. Because, you, little man, don't scare me. MetaStar 02:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
This controversial change needs to be discussed on the talk page before either of you revert it again. CovenantD 19:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- If I'm correct, in edit disputes the prior edit should remain until a consensus is reached. --DrBat 19:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
SIGH, and JoshuaZ just thanked me for helping with a compromise. Why is having that pic there so important to you, bro? None of we users removed it, we just moved it (hey that rhymed). Rachel is my fav X-Man, she needs a totally smokin' pic, and the one you reverted to again ain't smokin' DB (is that a knee near her elbow, I keep lookin' and I can't tell), and I was going to use a scan from my new X-men posterbook, but ExcaliDragon already put up the pic. MarvelousGirl 22:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Relatives
Looking for a list of her relatives and there's no section in the superhero box. how strange. heard on the FF page that her and franklin richards had an offspring in a future (alternate universe) and was looking for its name. thatd be one powerful offspring -- a Richards and Summers kid? wow.
- This used to be on the main page until relatives was taken out of the superhero box. Relatives - Cyclops (Earth 811 father), Jean Grey (Earth 811 mother), Havok (uncle), Vulcan (uncle), Cable (Earth 616 brother), Nate Grey (Earth 295 brother cloned from Cyclops and Jean Grey's genetic material), Corsair (grandfather), Franklin Richards (Earth 811 husband), Hyperstorm (Earth 967 son), Dream Summers (Earth 9891 daughter) Dorin 10:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Summers vs Grey
Should it be moved to Grey because that's her name now? ~ZytheTalk to me! 20:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you. The lass is called 'Grey' now. The name Rachel Summers is therefore no longer correct. I say Users vote. That excludes me. (Personally, I would like it even better if the article was named after Ray's current superheroine codename, 'Marvel Girl,' despite this name having been made more famous by her mother Jean.)62.194.0.236 11:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Is Rachel really a mutant?
Okay, this may seem like a weird question, and I know that Rachel is a telepath/telekinetic, but is she a MUTANT? Her mom is Jean Grey. Basically, Jean was a mutant because her genetic make-up differed from that of her parents. It mutated so that she had telepathic/telekinetic abilities. From the looks of it, Rachel has INHERITED these abilities from her mother, so I think it might be safe to say that no mutation took place in Rachel. Successfully passing on the telekinetic/telepathic gene(s) means that these abilities are now in mankind's genepool in the Marvel Universe, and might -after a long time- become commonplace if Rachel reproduces.82.170.142.69 09:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)(Just a visitor)
- In a technical sense by scientific standards, she is a mutant because of her chrono-skimming abilities. However Marvel terminology indexes anybody as a mutant who possesses a genetic "X-factor" occuring from birth (although not always active at birth) that seperates them from baseline humans.
[edit] Lobotomy?
The Women in Refrigerators article said that Rachel had been lobotomized. What's up with that? Evernut 16:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering about this, too. The only thing I can find when I type "Rachel Summers lobotomy" into Google, is JEAN GREY's lobotomy in the alternate universe where Rachel comes from (before the events that lead to "Days of Future Past.") In this reality, Jean does not kill herself in the battle with the Imperial Guard. Instead, Lilandra allows her to live and gives her a 'psychic lobotomy' that cuts off Jean's access to her Phoenix powers. Her daughter Rachel would still have the Phoenix powers. Incidentally, this alternate fate for Jean was what Claremont originally had in mind, but editor Jim Shooter thought Jean couldn't be forgiven for her genocide of billions of people and had her killed off. Anyone help if Rachel ever got a lobotomy, though.194.171.56.13 09:00, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
