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I'm not sure it is Veterans day in the UK - I'm pretty certain it's Remembrance day or Armistice day. Certainly, it has always been Armistice day to me. What do other Brits think?

Remembrance Day. We don't have a Veterans Day in the UK (though this may change in the future) --mgaved 22:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 One big article 2 Older comment 3 Merge 4 Poppy Day 5 Sentence about payment 6 People Against Global Imperialism 7 Celebration 8 Terry Kelly? 9 Dates 10 Poppy Style???????????? 11 Bugle Calls 12 Poppy

[edit] One big article

I say Armistince day, poppy day, rememberance day and veterans day all be merged into one article with different sections for each. Its all the same.

[edit] Older comment

"In South Africa, the day is not a public holiday. Commemoration ceremonies are usually held on the following Sunday, at which, as with Australia, the Last Post is played by a bugler followed by the observation of a two-minute silence."

It is also the custom in Britain. Last Post; silence; Reveille. Will add stuff.

[edit] Merge

Armistice Day contains similar info, as Remembrance Day, and Remembrance Day has better info. Armistice Day should be merged into Remembrance Day. Brian (talk) 05:52, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

The article seems to be more "Remembrance Day in South Africa", could do with more general info. The laying of a wreath by the Queen in London should be mentioned for example. Might have a go later. - McClade

Strictly speaking, Armistice Day is the 11th November, whereas Remembrance Day is the closest Sunday. - RG

Not true. Remembrance Day is always November 11 (unless it's different where you live, in which case you should qualify your statement). BTW, I oppose the merge, because then logically we would have to merge the new article with Veteran's Day. Either we wish to separate different countries or not. In fact, I would separate Armistice Day from Remembrance Day as it is. Carolynparrishfan 14:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand how anybody could claim that this article seems to be "more 'Remembrance Day in South Africa'", when only two small paragraphs in the entire article are about its commemoration in SA. — Impi 12:43, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Reference for the Rememberance Day/Rememberance Sunday issue, although it still isn't particularly clear on the issue: http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/remembrance/history/silence_history.shtml

Yes, rememberance day is the second sunday in November

also the Island of Labuan War Memorial should be added. Mainly Australians would go to Labuan to remember commonwealth soldiers who died in Borneo/Labuan

Why not merge it with Veteren's Day? -dg

I wouldn't merge them, strictly speaking there are three different holidays, perhaps more depending on whether or not you define Armistice Day pre-1945 as a different holiday than Armistice Day post-1945 since they commemerate slightly different things.

Armistice Day commemerates the end of the Great War (1914-1918).

Remembrance Day commemerates the deaths of soldiers in the First and Second World Wars and depending on who you ask Korea -- at least in Canada.

Vetrans Day is a uniquely American form of this memorial.

I wouldn't use the three terms interchangably even though they are all essentially about the same thing. I think they should be cross-referenced and improved but I don't see them as identical. Gabe 16:13, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Gabe. Let each be developed according to its own special emphasis/nation of origin. User:Xrysostom 11 Nov 2005

1) Maybe, we should edit the articles, and use the Armistice Day article, for pre 1945, and use the Veteran’s Day, and Remembrance Day, for info after 1945 (after name change).

2) Or we could rename this article to Remembrance (Armistice) Day

3) 3) Or we merge all 3 articles in to one and have different sections, for what it’s called, in different countries, (i.e. and Remembrance Day, Armistice Day, Veteran’s Day)

As it stands at the moment, all 3 articles, have similar info (they just double up on each other) and Remembrance Day has better info. We should also add info on all countries that commentate, this day, and how they commentate it.

Info from the Royal New Zealand Returned and Services' Association website reads

After the Second World War, the name and date of Armistice Day was changed to  
Remembrance Day, now to be observed on the Sunday prior to 11 November (it was later 
transferred to the second Sunday in November). 

Since the 1990s the United Kingdom and many countries of the Commonwealth have 
increasingly returned to commemorate Armistice Day 11 November because the "eleventh 
hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month" 

210.54.69.172 21:43, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with above comment to rename this article to Remembrance (Armistice) Day after articles are merged Brian (talk) 00:21, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

In fact there are four days involved here. Armistice Day, the old name for 11th November, which is enjoying a resurgence, which commemorates the end of WW1; Remembrance Day, again the 11th November, taking over from Armistice Day and commemorating ALL those who 'died for their country' or 'gave their lives for mankind'; Remembrance Sunday, which is the second Sunday in November and when the big remembrance ceremonies take place; Veterans' Day, which is an American thing, commemorating war veterans. They are all distinct. If you want to merge them, go ahead, but make sure you know they are four different things.

Stephen Clarke (Official Historian, Royal New Zealand Returned and Services' Association): I would prefer to see separate articles because while they have similar information they also have different information and meanings depending on the period and particular country.

The consensus is to keep separate articles, I will remove the tags. After reading, everyone’s views, I have to agree, to keep them separate. Brian (talk) 21:23, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Poppy Day

Stephen Clarke (Official Historian, Royal New Zealand Returned and Services' Association):

I would prefer to see a separate article for "Poppy Day" rather than redirected to Remembrnace Day because Poppy Day in New Zealand, while it has similar origins to that of the United Kingdon, Canada, Unites States of America and Australia, was from the first Poppy Day in 1922 associated with ANZAC Day in April, which it continues to be associated usually being held on the Friday prior to ANZAC Day (25 April).

I understand that the Veterans of Foreign Wars in the United States which run the Buddy Poppy Appeal is mostly associated with Memorial Day in May.

[edit] Sentence about payment

I've removed this from the article:

"(Typically, these artificial poppies are given freely, though nearly all who accept them offer a small donation in return. One dollar is common in Canada.)"

This isn't true in the U.K.; I don't know about other countries. Here, the poppies are definitely sold. Is the "given away" a fiction in order to escape some legal issue? --Phronima 11:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Well they're not really 'sold' in the UK, but given in exchange for a voluntary donation of any amount you feel comfortable with. Some people only add a few pence, others add pounds. I'm sure a few people pay nothing, if they're brave enough. Skittle 00:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

the removed statement is true about Canada.--Adam crymble 19:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] People Against Global Imperialism

This article, and White Poppy (at least) have similar or identical sentences referring to this organization, which is not linked to its own article. Further, Google returns only 32 hits. I suggest this organization is not notable enough for a mention here or in White Poppy. It was added by darrelljon (talk • contribs • count) as can be seen here I suggest a cite, or failing that, a removal. ++Lar: t/c 14:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems like someone deliberately screwed up a sentence towards the end of the introduction.

"It is observed on You idiot Bobby Joeend"

Sorry, I don't have much experience editing Wiki articles, so I'll let someone else take the lead....

210.231.194.34 06:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)hotchailatte

[edit] Celebration

Is "celebration" the right word to use in this context? It features throughout the article, no doubt to avoid repetition of the seemingly more appropriate verb "to commemorate". Whilst it could be said that we celebrate the end of hostilities on Armistice Day, the contemporary focus of these days around the globe is to invite reflection on a tragic loss of life, not really a cause for celebration. Perhaps someone with a wider vocabulary than I could take this on... Dick G 12:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The only places I can find words containing 'celebr' refer to Veterans' Day in America and various festivals in other countries that fall at the same time. Is Veterans' Day celebrated or observed? Skittle 13:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

It concerned me that "celebration" is the wrong term as well. I've taken the liberty of changing the wording from "Veterans Day is celebrated in the United States" to "Veterans Day is commemorated in the United States" - how do people feel about this? Any USians care to coment? what do you do on this day? --mgaved 17:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Terry Kelly?

Why is there a long two-three paragraphs about Terry Kelly? I would think this is an advertisement for Kelly's song, rather than having any real significant impact to Remembrance Day itself. It should not be in the article. --WongFeiHung 20:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dates

Why are the dates in US format (month/day) instead of the UK format (day/month) as this is a UK event?

No, it isnt a UK event. Have you even read the article? --Dallin Tanjo22 22:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Right, so why does it use the US format when the UK, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Malta and the rest of the commonwealth counties all use the day/month format?

[edit] Poppy Style????????????

In England, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland the poppies are the flat Earl Haig variety with a leaf. Wearers require a separate pin to attach the poppy to their clothing.

What about Scotland? I am sure in Scotland the poopies are identical to the rest of the country! So why not change

In England, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland the poppies... to In the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland the poppies... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.213.213.9 (talk • contribs).

I think what is being referred to is that in Scotland many poppies are this style , which is more symmetrical in shape to this (used in the rest of the UK and RoI) which has one half of the flower slightly bigger than the other, if you see what I mean? i.e. they are not the same in scotland. « Keith » 16:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bugle Calls

The Rouse is often played in place of Reveille in remembrance day ceremonies, but is often called "Reveille". I have added a sentence to this end, and have added a wikipedia article on The Rouse to clear up any confusion.

[edit] Poppy

I have a question that I am hoping someone can help me with. I live in Canada and seem to remember that after 11:00 on November 11th, you are to remove your poppy out of respect for the fallen soldiers. Can anyone tell me if this is true?

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