Talk:Revival Centres International
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[edit] Disputed Article
Dear Informed99 - could I encourage you to not continually delete this page, which is not helpful (it has now happened on 7 or 8 occasions). I understand that you may be a member of the church group in question, but suggest that you suggest fixes to any errors you see in the article on this talk page, instead of deleting the article. -- thanks! Seldon-au 20:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Informed99 here. I am not reverting the changes - although I imagine someone from our Church is. I tried to start a conversation about the changes I was making. No one replied. In fact it was me who made the quotes below from Wikipedia's guidelines when changes I did make were simply reverted (by you I think). Informed99 08:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Have removed the word Aryan and pyramidology, together with changing a date for handover to Simon Longfield. Happy to discuss...Informed99 08:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Informed99 - your user page shows you to be a member of this religious group. I am concerned that many of your edits are "point of view pushing". In particular, your removal of any references to the Revival Fellowship and the Carn Brae Scandal (which was big news in the 1960s). We don't want re-written history on this page!Seldon-au 20:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I am a member of this Church. Hence my reference above to it probably being a member of our church that was reverting the page. I did not remove the reference to Carn Brae, I only removed the word "scandal" (a very subjective reading of events). Rewriting history seems to cut both ways :-) . It is clear you are also pushing a point of view. One way to do that is to selectively present facts (both real and not so real) that create a picture that creates the intended bias. It is the selection, and more importantly, the omission that reveals the bias. Informed99 23:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for being moderate in your recent edits. I hope we can use this page to make up a real and useful history of the Revival Centres without any undue bias in the article or pro- or negative- pov pushing.
An excerpt from Wikipedia's guidles are shown below:
"Be respectful to others and their points of view. This means primarily: Do not simply revert changes in a dispute. When someone makes an edit you consider biased or inaccurate, improve the edit, rather than reverting it."
The first change I propose is that it is simply loaded language to refer to this church as a "sect".
I will change 'sect' to "Christian Pentecostal denomination" - a simple statement of fact.
Informed99 01:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Next point. The phrase 'based in Australia' is true, but incomplete. While based in Australia, most RCI assemblies are in other countries - particularly in Africa and Papua New Guinea, where there are rapidly growing assemblies. I will add this information to the entry: "The church has around 300 assemblies in 14 countries." - again, a fact.
Informed99 09:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the big attraction to the vandals is the opening line about "Growing on the experience of its founder". This line sounds like something out of a WWII propaganda film. I fully support the RCI doctrine of salvation and want to support a balanced article - but I suggest that this line be simpler and reflect the middle of the road point of view that the article has been focussed on. Revival42 15:47, 28 March 2007 (UTC)revival42
Fair call, I must say I actually didnt realise I put that back as I just restored the text from an eariler version. Feel free to adjust how you see reasonable and if there's anything to raise as a concern I'll let you know. Thanks for helping make this a much more pleasant experience rather than reverting wars. :) Crunchynut 07:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Recent unexplained deletions
This page has been semi protected due to the continual deletion of large parts of this article by anonymous users. If there are legitimate problems with the content of the article, could those users now discuss them here? WjBscribe 01:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] End Time Prophecy
The supposed 'prophecy' of 17 Sep 2001. I have left this in, although I think it is one of those cases where this article is unbalanced. The truth is, despite many decades with the RCI, I have never heard such a date preached. The only thing I have ever heard is that "of that day knows no man". The article that contained this date was prefaced with the fact that 'poetic licence' was being used. This is the point I was trying to make before about lack of balance - one article is quoted without its full context, and decades of "no-one knows the date, just like the Bible says" are swept aside as irrelevant (referring to your deletion of my earlier comments). If you want to complain of rewriting history, you need to contemplate this also, I think :-). I intend to put a fuller context around this later - your thoughts? Informed99 08:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
If you want to clarify this you can put that the article by Lloyd Longfield was a "what if this were true would you be ready?" article. The article used the timeline from the pyramid that correctly identifies Moses, Jesus, WWI and WWII, and ends in September 2001. Hmmm - looks like Lloyd only missed by 5-6 days (ie. September 11). I am not a member of RCI, but I remember the silly count down clock that Troy Waller set up, and when 911 happened, I thought wow - was the old guy ever close... Revival42 21:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)revival42
[edit] continual editing
IT seems there are many disgruntled members with little facts about the organization.
Most of it is total crap and people thinking it's a cult. Fact is, it's a christian organization, not a cult.
If you chose to reference it to cults. I might go ahead and modify all the catholic, budhist, muslim, JW, etc pages and put cult references in there and see if they like that..
See my point?
This is an encyclopedia, not an opinion based forum. Go to your little cultweb forums and complain in there, not in this place.
Thankyou! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.47.228.246 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 13 February 2007.
- Did you mean to post this at Talk:The Revival Fellowship? That is where you have done most of your editing. Please don't make threats to disrupt Wikipedia because you have a different perspective, it's far more productive to add information to the article to present a more balanced view.. Natgoo 19:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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- No, I have been following both pages, I to am an ex member and references to cults are irrelevant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.47.108.126 (talk) 20:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC).
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